Wank Trek vs Wank Wars

[Picard]

Star Trek and Star Wars galaxy meet in for a war. Any ship that crosses border of one galaxy will appear at appropriate place in another galaxy.

EU is included for both, and choose most wanktastic parts of both EU and canon.

How does this go?

P.S. No flames, please.

EDIT:
P.S.S. No omnipotent or near-omnipotent beings either.

[Trinoya]

Trek wank goes faaaaaaaaar beyond wars wank. God like beings are very casual, and that doesn't even count starfleet battles where police ships mass scatter planets.

[Lucky]

Trek wank goes faaaaaaaaar beyond wars wank. God like beings are very casual, and that doesn't even count starfleet battles where police ships mass scatter planets.

I know that in the TNG episode Booby Trap to fleet with out dated weapon turned a planet into an asteroid field seemingly on accident, but what episode does a single ship mass scatter a planet?

[Trinoya]

It's from a game called starfleet battles, and it's about as wanked as it gets.

[2046]

I understand that in one of the books TOS ships and even a shuttlecraft fairly casually enter and fly around inside a black hole then exit, constrained from deeper penetration only by the *subspace* event horizon.

Of course, technically Voyager did the same thing.

[Mith]

Of course, technically Voyager did the same thing.

*cries for science*

[KSW]

Star Trek and Star Wars galaxy meet in for a war. Any ship that crosses border of one galaxy will appear at appropriate place in another galaxy.

EU is included for both, and choose most wanktastic parts of both EU and canon.

How does this go?

P.S. No flames, please.

EDIT:
P.S.S. No omnipotent or near-omnipotent beings either.

That would include super-Force powers.
Since the EU is included for both, then we have to look at the power-generation of a Constitution-class starship.
In the Motion Picture novelization, the narrative states that V'ger's 12-power field can stop the sun from rotating; that's an energy of 5.72E+36 J.

And in the movie, Decker says that this would require "thousands of starships" to generate that much power.

That means, depending on the definition of "thousands," that a Constitution-class starship can generate as much as 2.8 E+33J.
That's more than even the most wanked-up figures for SW ships.

Meanwhile the Empire only has one Sun Crusher, whereas trilithium weapons are relatively easy to make and mass-produce.

Finally, the Federation has time-travel, which the Empire definitely doesn't have; so a single starship simply needs to engage in "A year of Hell."

[User1662]

In the Motion Picture novelization, the narrative states that V'ger's 12-power field can stop the sun from rotating; that's an energy of 5.72E+36 J.

Not quite true actually.

They stated IIRC that it had the output of the sun, and that it woudl take shousands of starships to generate that.

And in the movie, Decker says that this would require "thousands of starships" to generate that much power.

That means, depending on the definition of "thousands," that a Constitution-class starship can generate as much as 2.8 E+33J.
That's more than even the most wanked-up figures for SW ships.

What's your definition of thousands? one, two, three?

Otherwise it's the same as that famous Dodona quite really.

Meanwhile the Empire only has one Sun Crusher, whereas trilithium weapons are relatively easy to make and mass-produce.

No they're not. It took one scientist to invent one, who was somewhat driven and focused for over a century. There is no evidence to say that the Federation could easily repeat that.

[Mike DiCenso]

He's correct on at least that much, with regards to the ST:TMP novelization. On page 146 of the paperback edition, Kirk reacts in stunned shock thinking about how twelfth power magnitude energy was enough to stop the Earth's sun from rotating. So yeah, combined with Decker's statement, it would make the relatively small Constitution-class starships more powerful by many orders of magnitude than any regular capital ship listed in the Saxon-authored ICS books. The mind boggles when you consider that it's canonically established in Trek that 24th century starships are many times more powerful such that a simple mining vessel can defeat with comparative ease the best capital ships of the mid-23rd century.
-Mike

[Cocytus]

No they're not. It took one scientist to invent one, who was somewhat driven and focused for over a century. There is no evidence to say that the Federation could easily repeat that.

The Federation should certainly be able to produce them given the proper motivation.

The Dominion repeated the same trick in "By Inferno's Light," attempting to destroy the Bajoran sun with a bomb of "trilithium, tekasite and protomatter." Kira and Dax immediately understand the implications, and therefore the operating principles of the weapon.

Trilithium resin is a by-product of federation warp drives. It was what the terrorist group attempts to steal from the Enterprise when it undergoes the Baryon sweep in "Starship Mine." This is very unstable, requiring a special unit to keep it under control. Picard removes this just before Kelsey beams off with it, and her ship explodes as she leaves. Worf likewise described the trilithium in "Generations" as unstable.

In "The Chute," Paris and Kim are falsely implicated in a bombing, which lands them in the Akritiri prison. The bomb was a trilithium weapon, and the Akritiri connected Voyager to the attack since it was supposedly the only source if trilithium in the sector.

In "For the Uniform," Sisko orders two quantum torpedoes filled with trilithium resin to poison the atmosphere of Solosos III.

One lone scientist took a century to do it, but the Dominion had obviously either happened upon the same technique independently, or stolen the information from the Federation. The events of "Generations" happen in 2371, and "By Inferno's Light" is 2373, so the Dominion could conceivably have stolen it, though there's nothing to suggest this. They could just as easily have discovered the technique themselves.

Federation starship engines produce a trilithium compound as a matter of standard operation. Presumably reducing this resin to pure trilithium would take some doing, but a comparable alien power already achieved this. We don't know exactly how long it took them to do that, but the Federation clearly understands the operating principles already, and they have the raw materials. Materials + know-how = weapon.

[KSW]

Thank you, Mike and Cocytus.

In fact, the Sun-crusher was a clear copy of the Trilithium-warhead-- clearly a warsie peeve for its knocking the living starch out of the Death Star in terms of bad-assery.

(It's also an oxymoron, since a "Sun Crusher" is quite technologically inconsistent with a civilization that need a moon-sized bomb ship to destroy a single planet no bigger than Earth; it's as absurd as a catapult that could put men on the moon.)

[User1662]

He's correct on at least that much, with regards to the ST:TMP novelization. On page 146 of the paperback edition, Kirk reacts in stunned shock thinking about how twelfth power magnitude energy was enough to stop the Earth's sun from rotating. So yeah, combined with Decker's statement, it would make the relatively small Constitution-class starships more powerful by many orders of magnitude than any regular capital ship listed in the Saxon-authored ICS books. The mind boggles when you consider that it's canonically established in Trek that 24th century starships are many times more powerful such that a simple mining vessel can defeat with comparative ease the best capital ships of the mid-23rd century.
-Mike

I don't think that's in the film actually. Been trying to watch some of it online...but been having an argument of SB about ICS, again.

[Mike DiCenso]

This is an anything goes thread, really. So even though Kirk's thoughts from the ST:TMP novelization for that scene aren't in the movie (Decker's dialog about the thousands of starships not being able to generate 12th power energy is), it is still game for the purposes of the thread.
-Mike

[Lucky]

A beat up and outdated Klingon ship went to warp in Earth's atmosphere, and did not damage the planet in any way or its self on screen.

A Federation shuttle can travel at .7 the speed of light through Titan's atmosphere.

A jury-rigged ship made in a mildly post-apocalyptic world can reach at least near light speed without a warp drive.

[Picard]

So, long story short: universe explodes beacouse it can't contain that much wank?