Star Wars Separatists (SW) vs UFP (STO)

[Picard]

United Federation of Planets from Star Trek Online gets transported into Star Wars galaxy, or a star cluster very near to it, and, due to it being "too socialistic", and denying their corporations entry to its market, Separatists declare war on UFP. Palpatine pulls Republic from war with Separatists, and, in intent to learn about this new entity in galaxy, simply waits for resolution of conflict.

How does this go?

[Trinoya]

The federation from STO is crazy powerful.. although for some reason weapon ranges were severely reduced, we can presume that that is because of advancements technologies.

What do we have: Soldiers armed with personel shields, weapons that actively target multiple foes, orbital support, slip stream drives, cloaking devices, transwarp drives, and a few other nifty technologies such as redmatter.

I don't maintain that normal fed vs empire is a curbstomp, but this.. this would be worthy of a spacebattles vlad tepes... you're basically getting all the previous in universe cannon with all the new STO stuff... not a good combination...

Oh god, transphasic torpedoes and ablative armor even... nasty nasty stuff.

[Khas]

The 10-kilometer weapons range is only a game mechanic, and a measurement for visual range, since playing at the tens of thousands of kilometers that are mentioned in the show would be visually impossible.

Not to mention, that, unless contradicted by the shows and movies, STO IS canon.

Chroniton torpedoes, tetryon weapons, the Breen CRM 200, which fires a blast of liquid nitrogen.

Hell, if we added the other factions in, the SW galaxy wouldn't know what hit it. The Romulans have made the Remans their equals, are allies with the Hirogen, and are mass-producing Scimitar-class warbirds. Species 8472 (The Undine) are rampant. And God forbid the Iconians arrive...

[Trinoya]

Where did you get that STO is high canon, last I checked it doesn't fall into line with the movies or TV shows and therefore can't be used for any of the canon stuff.

[Khas]

http://forums.asvs.org/topic/1670-star- ... on-status/

[Picard]

I have started topic on STO canonicity, here:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... f=5&t=2250

EDIT: Would Galactic Empire fare any better?

[Trinoya]

I still didn't see a direct statement from CBS :( Believe me, I'd like it to have some degree of high canon status just to throw transphasics, ablative armor, and transwarp out of the technology of the week, but without a direct statement the best it is I think is wishful thinking.

Edit: The empire fares much better than the republic. The empire theoretically could have an army bigger than a few million and not blow itself apart economically.

[Picard]

Certainly it does better. But how better exactly? And what will happen if we throw in WMD's?

[Mike DiCenso]

Not much better to be sure, even assuming it has both Death Stars available and the Rebellion is completely removed from the equation. But that's neither here nor there. The OP is about how well the Seperatists do versus the STO UFP, and all I can say is that given the technological disparity between the two, the STO UFP would stomp the crap out of the CIS without even thinking about it. With the Star Trek Technologies of the Week available as a routine matter of course, it's like the ST EU scenarios brought up all over again, only not quite as bad a stomping.

Among the advantages the STO UFP has is things like the aforementioned slipstream and transwarp, which unlike hyperdrive, even granting the highest hyperspace speeds known in the SW EU, transwarp and slipstream are not dependent on special lanes or routes. They literally can go anywhere at any time. When transwarp gets the Borg Hub to support it, it becomes a stupid fast way to get around.

The economics between the two powers is also going to affect things greatly as the STO UFP is replicator based, so it can indefinitely produce what it needs, when it needs it, while the CIS has impressive industry, without the Banking Clan loans, it'll eventually grind to a halt unless it can get really lucky and find a way to end the war before it goes totally and completely bankrupt and destitute.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

I have started topic on STO canonicity, here:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... f=5&t=2250

EDIT: Would Galactic Empire fare any better?

You didn't need to, Picard. There's already a thread about that as Tyralak posted it here and so have others in the past when STO came online last year. Also, that ASVS thread is just about worthless as no real information is given and it's mostly just a Bash Jason fest.
-Mike

[Trinoya]

Not much better to be sure,

Far better than the republic who are so corrupt and incapable of functioning that blackouts were required on naboo for some strange reason, just to support the war effort. I litterally think it's a WTFPWN scenario against the republic. The empire might actually organize a defense without taking five years to debate it only to realize they have no money.