Star Trek: Small Arms

For polite and reasoned discussion of Star Wars and/or Star Trek.
Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Lucky » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:07 am

[quote=" "Regeneration" "] (Malcolm and Crewman Foster are test firing a phase rifle) 

REED: Increase power another five megajoules. Fire. Keep it going. Increase to seven megajoules. Try eight. Nine. The density's holding. Bring it up to ten. (it finally blasts a hole in the target) That should do it. We'll reach that transport in less than an hour. Let's modify as many of these as we can. [/quote]


[quote=" "The Mind's Eye" "] (Data and Geordi are doing test firings of the phaser rifle) 

DATA: Energy flow is within normal parameters, from the pre-fire chamber to the emission aperture. 

LAFORGE: Rapid nadion pulse, right on target. Beam control assembly, safety interlock, both checked out. Beam width intensity controls also responding correctly. 

DATA: Energy cell usage remains constant at one point oh five megajoules per second. Curious. The efficiency reading on the discharge crystal is well above Starfleet specifications. 

LAFORGE: Yeah, by quite a bit. Ninety four point one percent efficiency. 

DATA: Our most efficient discharge crystal typically fires with eighty six point five percent efficiency. 


LAFORGE: Let's take a closer look at the wave pattern on the emission beam. That might tell us why it's losing so little energy. 

DATA: Pulse frequency out of pre-fire chamber reads steady.
LAFORGE: There. That's not right. The initial output spike is inverted. 

DATA: That might suggest that the weapon has been charged with a forced pulse, well into the terahertz range. 

LAFORGE: Then it's definitely not Starfleet issue and there can't be that many systems that use the terahertz feeds. 

DATA: Three hundred twenty seven, to our knowledge. We can probably achieve an exact match with a random computer search. It will take approximately three hours. 

LAFORGE: I think we could narrow this down with a little common sense, Data. Who has the most to gain from a conflict between the Klingon Empire and the Federation?
[/quote]





[quote=" "Business As Usual" "]QUARK: The Breen CRM one-fourteen works equally well against moving vessels or surface emplacements. It's guaranteed to cut through reactive armour in the six to fifteen centimetre range, and shields to four point six gigajoules. 
CUSTOMER: It's light. 
(He blows up a Dopterian interceptor) 
CUSTOMER: Nice. 
(He disintegrates a big robot.) 
QUARK: The quick recharge is one of its most popular features. [/quote]


[quote=" "Return to Grace" "] KIRA: This is a standard issue, Cardassian phase-disruptor rifle. It has a four point seven megajoule power capacity, three millisecond recharge two beam settings. 

ZIYAL: How do you know so much about Cardassian weapons? 

KIRA: We captured a lot of them during the occupation. It's a good weapon, solid, simple. You can drag it through the mud and it'll still fire. Now this. (Federation phaser rifle.) This is an entirely different animal. Federation standard issue. It's a little less powerful, but it's got a more options. Sixteen beam settings. Fully autonomous recharge, multiple target acquisition, gyro stabilised, the works. It's a little more complicated, so it's not as good a field weapon. Too many things can go wrong with it. [/quote]


[quote=" "Retrospect" "] SEVEN [OC]: I'm at the weapons range. Kovin had taken us there to evaluate various hand held firearms he wished to offer in trade. He attempted to impress us with a demonstration of the weapons destructive capabilities. My role was to provide a more objective analysis. 

KOVIN: Terrawatt powered particle beam rifle, four microsecond recharge cycle, ten kilometre range.
PARIS: Definitely not standard Starfleet issue. What do you think? 

SEVEN: Seventy two percent fragmentation, twenty eight percent vaporization. Crude, but efficient. 

PARIS: It's not as accurate as our compression rifles, but it's a lot easier to handle. I wouldn't mind carrying one of these the next time we run into the Hirogen. 

SEVEN: Targeting mechanism could be augmented with a thermal guidance sensor. That would improve accuracy by twenty four percent. 

KOVIN: I can do that now. Care to join me? You can make sure the adjustments perform to your specifications. 

PARIS: If you don't mind, I'd like to test some of the other firearms. 

KOVIN: Go right ahead. This way. [/quote]

Compared to likely light anti-ship weapons
[quote=" ]"Who Watches The Watchers" "] LAFORGE: We've finished replicating the parts they'll need, but what I don't understand is why a three man station would need a reactor capable of producing four point two gigawatts. 

RIKER: Enough to power a small phaser bank, a subspace relay station, or 

LAFORGE: A hologram generator. Oh, a duck blind. Right. They're anthropologists. [/quote]


[quote=" "Silent Enemy" "] REED: This, ladies and gentlemen is a phase-modulated energy weapon. It's rated for a maximum power output of five hundred gigajoules. Enterprise was designed to carry three of them. We have one, and it's only a prototype.

_-_-_

REED: Check the cannons. Be careful down there. The blast yield was ten times what we expected. 

ARCHER [OC]: What happened? 

REED: Something overloaded the phase modulators.

_-_-_

REED: Even if these cannons had been installed at Jupiter Station, they wouldn't be any more effective than they are now. 

ARCHER: What about yesterday? I saw you blow something up the size of Mount McKinley. 

REED: Yes sir, but that was due to an overload. [/quote]

Admiral Breetai
Starship Captain
Posts: 1813
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Admiral Breetai » Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:26 am

There's also Data's destruction of several miles of aqueduct with a hand phaser

Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Lucky » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:33 am

Admiral Breetai wrote:There's also Data's destruction of several miles of aqueduct with a hand phaser
I know, but the aqueduct kind of just disappears as i recall. There's also a hand phaser blast that can be calculated to be about 60 megajoules as I recall, but I was trying to find stated outputs for the weapons.

The fact Voyager's crew is not impressed by terrawatt side arms implies it's not that far from what the UFP uses, and even a single terrawatt is a huge amount of energy.

Admiral Breetai
Starship Captain
Posts: 1813
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Admiral Breetai » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:14 pm

It disappeared because it was completely vaporized I think that's a solid destruction feat. I recall TOS era phasers could demolish sky scraper sized buildings if overloaded as well and Ent era pistols I recall packing impressive punches as well.

Mike DiCenso
Security Officer
Posts: 5839
Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:49 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:43 pm

Data's phaser didn't vaporize the piping and station, Lucky. Here's the before and after images:

Image

Image


Mostly it sends a red-hot glow up the pipe in less than a 3 seconds time along with a series of smallish explosions. But no vaporization of any kind occurs.
-Mike

Admiral Breetai
Starship Captain
Posts: 1813
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:21 am

hrmmm that shots allot clearer then my TV because I remembered the piping vanishing

User avatar
Praeothmin
Jedi Master
Posts: 3920
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:24 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:27 pm

Admiral Breetai wrote:hrmmm that shots allot clearer then my TV because I remembered the piping vanishing
How drunk were you when you first watched the episode?


;)

Picard
Starship Captain
Posts: 1433
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Picard » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:38 am

I also remembered the pipe vanishing, and I wasn't drunk when I watched episode.

Mike DiCenso
Security Officer
Posts: 5839
Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:49 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:00 pm

You probably got tricked by the fact that the scene takes place in just a couple seconds, the energy from the phaser going up the pipe so quickly with your mind trying to follow that that you thought the piping was disappearing.
-Mike

Picard
Starship Captain
Posts: 1433
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Picard » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:35 pm

Probably. It was quite ago, as well.

Mike DiCenso
Security Officer
Posts: 5839
Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:49 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:17 am

Lucky wrote:
Admiral Breetai wrote:There's also Data's destruction of several miles of aqueduct with a hand phaser
I know, but the aqueduct kind of just disappears as i recall. There's also a hand phaser blast that can be calculated to be about 60 megajoules as I recall, but I was trying to find stated outputs for the weapons.

The fact Voyager's crew is not impressed by terrawatt side arms implies it's not that far from what the UFP uses, and even a single terrawatt is a huge amount of energy.
That weapon was not a side arm, it was a full blown rifle, but given it's size, it's still an impressive output.
-Mike

Picard
Starship Captain
Posts: 1433
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Picard » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:22 pm

What episode it is?

Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Lucky » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:09 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:
That weapon was not a side arm, it was a full blown rifle, but given it's size, it's still an impressive output.
-Mike
My mistake, i keep mixing up "small arms" with "side arms". This thread is about small arms.

Lucky
Jedi Master
Posts: 2239
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:28 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Lucky » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:17 pm

Picard wrote:What episode it is?
Voyager "Retrospect" is where the terrawatt quote is from.
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbna ... =58&page=5
_____
THe more quantifiable visual is from from Deep Space 9 "Waltz".
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbna ... 147&page=4

Mike DiCenso
Security Officer
Posts: 5839
Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:49 pm

Re: Star Trek: Small Arms

Post by Mike DiCenso » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:34 am

I wish we had the full sequence of the test firing at Trekcore not just a couple frames.
It'd also interesting to compare this to the damage done by the tiny hand phaser Riker and Worf test out on a boulder in TNG's "Hide and Q" to this.
-Mike

Locked