Geonosis Arena, Jedi & Sith forcesub vs Dominion

[Praeothmin]

Ah!
And it fires a bolt, or a beam?
Because if it fires a bolt, the bolt could be deflected back towards the coming attackers...

[Khas]

Beam.
http://www.ditl.org/gpaf/GCrm1142.jpg
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... al_169.jpg

[Praeothmin]

Funny how the blast in that sequence is nowhere near a ton of TNT... :)

[Picard]

And again, no hand weapon in ST has that RoF...

Praetho, are you reading anything I write?

Except that in First Contact, Nemesis and Insurrection we see phaser rifles firing pulses on both full auto and semi-automaticly, and I think that in one of DS9 episodes that deals with changeling infiltration we see old hair-dryer type rifles firing pulses in 3-pulse bursts when Sisko and Bashir check some tunnel or what the heck that was... granted, I'm going from memory, but I'm quite sure about these.

Rifles had ROF of about 3 - 12 shots per second, going by memory.

[Khas]

Funny how the blast in that sequence is nowhere near a ton of TNT... :)

Those were just holographic targets it was being used against. And the Memory Alpha article did say that it's also good as an anti-vehicle and anti-turret weapon. And 4.6 gigajoules was it's maximum setting. It could have been on a lower setting to show that even at a low power it still kicks ass.

[Mike DiCenso]

The intial start of the explosion against the humanoid robot/power armor thing:



That's a mighty big explosion when you consider that the targets are armored mechanisms, and we have no way to know if the thing was even set on full power for the test.
-Mike

[Khas]

The intial start of the explosion against the humanoid robot/power armor thing:



That's a mighty big explosion when you consider that the targets are armored mechanisms, and we have no way to know if the thing was even set on full power for the test.
-Mike

Probably wasn't, as Memory Alpha said that it was also a popular anti-vehicle weapon, and could pierce armor up to 15 centimeters thick. That's 6 inches for anyone not versed in the metric system.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Jedi and Sith excel at fighting each other and dealing with extremely inaccurate rifle fire which actually fails to saturate any given area since only a few lightsabre moves are enough to protect a front of a dozen Jedi from a wall of hundreds of droids marching and firing at them, because if any saturation there had been, only a large shield would have been able to protect each Jedi, the kind the Gungans used.

It is time for you to rewatch AOTC I think. ;)

Except when there remains less Jedi in the arena, the Droids are firing a storm of bolts towards the Jedi, and most are blocked...
And again, no hand weapon in ST has that RoF...

What the Jedi charge into the battle droids. They don't have to deflect a single bolt fired at them before they're capable of hitting the droids with their lightsabers. Even at less than 100 meters, the accuracy is so bad, it's a wonder why they give them weapons or allow those pieces of crap to be bipedal: a single rifle mounted on tracks, horizontally, 1m above the ground, would have been far more dangerous than a complete battalion of those silly droids.
On the other hand, we've seen remarkable accuracy from mere Jem'hadar soldiers (see the episode where they suicide themselves to save that pesky Vorta).
Seriously, watch it. Take the time. See for example the moment another battalion enters the arena with C3PO's headless body. The Jedi in the background aren't even threatened by droids surrounding them. There's not even that many flashes. The droids don't even fire! The whole battle is of the same vein.

To the others: I capped the CRM-114 to 1 MJ. Besides, it only says it could fire through a 4.6 GJ forcefield, which is a very vague statement considering we know nothing about the power of the field, nor the shield surface area (energy could easily be spread over each square centimeter).

[Khas]

That's still the force of a half-pound of TNT. Which would still be enough to leave a decent crater in the ground. But it makes it weaker than the Cardassian disruptor rifle, with a 4.7 megawatt output.

[Mr. Oragahn]

That's still the force of a half-pound of TNT. Which would still be enough to leave a decent crater in the ground. But it makes it weaker than the Cardassian disruptor rifle, with a 4.7 megawatt output.

I know, but I considered it a butcher if each solider had the firepower of a damned tank.

[Praeothmin]

Rifles had ROF of about 3 - 12 shots per second, going by memory.

What?
Ok, what episode, I'll look it up on Youtube, 'cause I've never, ever, seen any hand weapon in ST with that kind of RoF, that I remember...

I capped the CRM-114 to 1 MJ. Besides, it only says it could fire through a 4.6 GJ forcefield, which is a very vague statement considering we know nothing about the power of the field, nor the shield surface area (energy could easily be spread over each square centimeter).

This...

What the Jedi charge into the battle droids. They don't have to deflect a single bolt fired at them before they're capable of hitting the droids with their lightsabers. Even at less than 100 meters, the accuracy is so bad, it's a wonder why they give them weapons or allow those pieces of crap to be bipedal: a single rifle mounted on tracks, horizontally, 1m above the ground, would have been far more dangerous than a complete battalion of those silly droids.

I will definitely rewatch the scene, because I remember Jedi blocking a lot of shots...

[Khas]

I remember seeing Jedi getting gunned down like there was no tomorrow. Hell, their battle cry might as well have been "LEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIINNNSSSSSS!"

[Mike DiCenso]

Ok, what episode, I'll look it up on Youtube, 'cause I've never, ever, seen any hand weapon in ST with that kind of RoF, that I remember...

Look up "Blaze of Glory" as well as Star Trek 2009, both of those show ST weapons firing rapid-fire bolts with high ROF.
-Mike

[Picard]

I think that one or more of TNG movies (Nemesis, Insurrection, First Contact) showed it, as well as some DS9 episode.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVv4OBbONVU

3 min 6 sec

EDIT:

I capped the CRM-114 to 1 MJ. Besides, it only says it could fire through a 4.6 GJ forcefield, which is a very vague statement considering we know nothing about the power of the field, nor the shield surface area (energy could easily be spread over each square centimeter).

Maybe, but as far as I remember, ST shields don't actually use lot of energy when up, unless blocking shots. So it probably means that forcefield can stop 4.6 GJ worth of energy before failing. So, if Breen cannoin fires bolts, each would have been >4.6 GJ. If it fires continuous beam, however, it doesn't say much, beacouse we don't know timeframe... it could be 2.3 GW over 2 seconds or 7.7 MW over one minute...

[Khas]

Well, in a weapon, you're going to want to deliver that energy as fast as possible, and as powerfully as possible. We know the CRM-114 fires its energy in a beam, so it might be safe to assume that it fires at a rate of 4.6 GJ/s.