Headbashing between SWST and... pretty much everyone else...

[mojo]

your days are numbered here swst. everything you say is bullshit. even the most soft-hearted debaters here are getting sick of listening to you lie and purposefully distort evidence. i would consider making sure you have a home to go to from here, and quick. because i don't think you'll be calling sfj home much longer, unless you FUCKING DEBATE HONESTLY.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

your days are numbered here swst. everything you say is bullshit. even the most soft-hearted debaters here are getting sick of listening to you lie and purposefully distort evidence. i would consider making sure you have a home to go to from here, and quick. because i don't think you'll be calling sfj home much longer, unless you FUCKING DEBATE HONESTLY.

The problem with everything you've said in this post is that none of it has any substance. You have provided no examples in which I distorted evidence, no evidence in which I lied, no evidence that everything I say is bullshit, no evidence in which I do not debate honestly.

You simply made a string of rude, unsupported accusations.

Unsupported is the key word here. You are simply blabbing out immature, illogical accusations without evidence, logical deduction or anything to support it. If that is not "dishonest debating", what is?

[Admiral Breetai]

I like how we have caught him lying near constantly and some of the nicest most patient debaters that exist anywhere online have gotten sick and tired of his bullshit

and the guy has the audacity the nerve to go "lulz provide exact quotes wurz i'm teh lyn!!!

[mojo]

in the very first thread you made here, you challenged sfj to provide you with 3 or 4 types of evidence and said that if we were able to provide it, you would openly concede the debate. then for FIFTEEN PAGES, you debated dishonestly in every possible way in a desperate attempt to avoid living up to your side of the bargain. someone would present evidence you asked for, and you would then:
1. rebut the evidence using arguments that were clearly not your own. how could i KNOW they weren't YOUR arguments? because your rebuttals were ancient history, and when sfj'ers rebutted your rebuttals using the same arguments they used the first time they heard them, you were like a deer in the headlights. you had nothing. or..
2. completely ignore the evidence if you couldn't immediately find a rebuttal to it on sdn or wherever the hell you were going. or..
3. pretend that the evidence actually proves something completely different, defying all logic. i nearly broke my back giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were not insane. or..
4. resort to cherry-picking from the eu, using quotes so ridiculously out of context that i'm convinced you've never read an eu novel in your life. or..
5. play the victim, whining that sfj was providing posts filled with evidence so fast that you couldn't possibly keep up. what did you think was going to happen if you challenged the entire board and then vomited out arguments that have been debunked time and again?!
etc, etc...
and that was your FIRST THREAD.
it baffles me that you demand i provide evidence and examples of dishonest debating. but if you really want it, i can certainly provide it.
EXAMPLES OF DISHONEST DEBATING BY STARWARSSTARTREK
using your mouse, click on the word 'search' at the top of this page. on the page that comes up, click on the empty white box by the word 'author'. using your keyboard, type 'starwarsstartrek' in that box. press the enter key. on the page that comes up next you will find 261 examples.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

This is a thread for "List of expanded universe sources incompatible with ICS" right?, so should this arguing not be moved elsewhere.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

...why has mojo not been warned to lay this off?

in the very first thread you made here, you challenged sfj to provide you with 3 or 4 types of evidence and said that if we were able to provide it, you would openly concede the debate. then for FIFTEEN PAGES, you debated dishonestly in every possible way in a desperate attempt to avoid living up to your side of the bargain. someone would present evidence you asked for, and you would then:

Notice how none of the above claims are supported by quotes, facts, evidence, logic, etc.?

1. rebut the evidence using arguments that were clearly not your own. how could i KNOW they weren't YOUR arguments? because your rebuttals were ancient history, and when sfj'ers rebutted your rebuttals using the same arguments they used the first time they heard them, you were like a deer in the headlights. you had nothing. or..

Really? So claiming that the Death Star is not a chain reaction weapon is some original claim that starfleet jedi came up with?

Sure, most of my claims have been claimed over and over again, and so have your side's. This debate has been going on for decades, and the best arguments have already been brought forward.

2. completely ignore the evidence if you couldn't immediately find a rebuttal to it on sdn or wherever the hell you were going. or..

Again, more unsupported claims made by you.

3. pretend that the evidence actually proves something completely different, defying all logic. i nearly broke my back giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were not insane. or..

MORE UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS.

You're just running around, screaming accusations at me while giving no quotes, no examples, not even the argument that I was making.

4. resort to cherry-picking from the eu, using quotes so ridiculously out of context that i'm convinced you've never read an eu novel in your life. or..

Again, no evidence is provided that I ever took anything out of context.

5. play the victim, whining that sfj was providing posts filled with evidence so fast that you couldn't possibly keep up. what did you think was going to happen if you challenged the entire board and then vomited out arguments that have been debunked time and again?!

Playing the victim? ROFL! I did my best to respond to at least one post every once in a while, because most of the posts repeated the exact same rebuttal to my responses. If mike and luck both come up with very long rebuttals that say pretty much the same thing, do I have to take two hours to respond to both?

Show me any posts that have unrefuted claims, and I will refute them. But do not expect me to respond to every single post in every thread I participate in.

etc, etc...
and that was your FIRST THREAD.
it baffles me that you demand i provide evidence and examples of dishonest debating. but if you really want it, i can certainly provide it.
EXAMPLES OF DISHONEST DEBATING BY STARWARSSTARTREK
using your mouse, click on the word 'search' at the top of this page. on the page that comes up, click on the empty white box by the word 'author'. using your keyboard, type 'starwarsstartrek' in that box. press the enter key. on the page that comes up next you will find 261 examples.

Is this what you consider evidence to be? I can easily claim that all those 261 examples are false, and I would be right, because you have provided no evidence or explanation as to how those examples relate to your claim. I could easily say:

go to the search box, type in mojo, and you'll get a bunch of examples of fail

While providing no evidence as to how these are valid examples, etc.






Conclusion:



You provide NO EVIDENCE for anything I did. No quotes, no analysis, no specific examples. Just a load of accusations in which you provided absolutely zero support for.

[Admiral Breetai]

to add to this you are literally incapable of making an argument that's not a direct parrot of Wong or another poster from that site..it makes me wonder why you would even bother to come here if you A have never seen an issue of trek in your life and B aren't capable of making your own conclusions

I'll take it a step further recently you came out implied sub kiloton fire from a fucking world war two era battleship could bring down the enterprises shields

not only is this claim completely false but it requires massive ignorance of the actual series

[StarWarsStarTrek]

to add to this you are literally incapable of making an argument that's not a direct parrot of Wong or another poster from that site..it makes me wonder why you would even bother to come here if you A have never seen an issue of trek in your life and B aren't capable of making your own conclusions

Show me a single example in which you provide an argument that has not already been made by:

darkstar
JMS
another debater on this forum
or anybody else

I'll take it a step further recently you came out implied sub kiloton fire from a fucking world war two era battleship could bring down the enterprises shields

not only is this claim completely false but it requires massive ignorance of the actual series

I don't think you understand my intent there. I was making the calculation based on the information given to me, via factors in the episode, and via scientific formulas.

You can call it silly all you want, but claiming that it is "completely false" is not a proper rebuttal, nor is claiming it to be ridiculous. Are you trying to refute the Inverse Square Law?

[Admiral Breetai]

Show me a single example in which you provide an argument that has not already been made by:

oh lord that was just asinine a blatant reversal attempt and one that's completely false no less now your mud slinging and I am sure that's against the rules especially since your being blatantly dishonest. now see here boy I don't parrot peoples arguments I in fact had no fucking clue who

darkstar
JMS
another debater on this forum
or anybody else

the above people were outside of Darkstar who was widely made fun of on the place I came from by both sides...and honestly that was incredibly silly of you my debate style my demands for evidence and the way I conduct debates is so markedly different from them what you just did was so blatantly obvious and incredibly pathetic I have no words to describe it

to take it a step further I'm an expert on comics low fantasy and manga..and one pretty well known in those small admittedly small circles ..90% of the debaters here probably have no idea what the fuck that stuff is..and if they do like preao it's a passing knowledge that outdated by more than a decade there is literally no possible way you could of legitimately made the claim considering I'm like the joe Pesci of this place and am so radically different in anything but my conclusions on the matter that it's entirely unfounded

simply put you couldn't muster an actual argument and resorted to a pathetic cheap shop that was so completely false under handed and dishonest that even casual lurkers of this site will instantly know it was full of shit

also I don't know of any instances of those guys using my signature image macros I custom nor do I know them using 4chan style humor every now and again

I don't think you understand my intent there. I was making the calculation based on the information given to me, via factors in the episode, and via scientific formulas.

it was based on ignoring the fuck out of allot of factors and the over all consistent history of the actual ship and the show itself

You can call it silly all you want, but claiming that it is "completely false" is not a proper rebuttal, nor is claiming it to be ridiculous.

it is a proper rebuttal when you make a blatantly insane claim like that

Are you trying to refute the Inverse Square Law?

you aren't the inverse square law what you are is a fanboy who parrots another guys argument and basically rapes scientific terms like a bubba in a super max on fresh meat..and does so with a Faux intellectual attitude

in other words your claims = bullshit stop trying this idiotic "durr durr refuting me is like refuting scientific fact" this is like an inquisitor claiming "refuting me is refuting the will of god" and done with just as much ignorance and fanaticism leave that at the door and debate right or get the hell out of this thread

[StarWarsStarTrek]

oh lord that was just asinine a blatant reversal attempt and one that's completely false no less now your mud slinging and I am sure that's against the rules especially since your being blatantly dishonest. now see here boy I don't parrot peoples arguments I in fact had no fucking clue who

the above people were outside of Darkstar who was widely made fun of on the place I came from by both sides...and honestly that was incredibly silly of you my debate style my demands for evidence and the way I conduct debates is so markedly different from them what you just did was so blatantly obvious and incredibly pathetic I have no words to describe it

to take it a step further I'm an expert on comics low fantasy and manga..and one pretty well known in those small admittedly small circles ..90% of the debaters here probably have no idea what the fuck that stuff is..and if they do like preao it's a passing knowledge that outdated by more than a decade there is literally no possible way you could of legitimately made the claim considering I'm like the joe Pesci of this place and am so radically different in anything but my conclusions on the matter that it's entirely unfounded

simply put you couldn't muster an actual argument and resorted to a pathetic cheap shop that was so completely false under handed and dishonest that even casual lurkers of this site will instantly know it was full of shit

also I don't know of any instances of those guys using my signature image macros I custom nor do I know them using 4chan style humor every now and again

You know what? You have a quality of a common politician; to sprout several minutes of nonsense when asked a question that he/she cannot answer.

Like Sarah Palin, who, when asked a question she cannot answer, says stuff that has nothing to do with the question, which was often times a simple yes/no!

My reversal is completely legitimate, because your question was full of hypocrisy and douchebaggery. You accuse me of parotting Wong, yet you completely fail to give a single example in which you do not parrot darkstar or his allies.

it was based on ignoring the fuck out of allot of factors and the over all consistent history of the actual ship and the show itself

I was not claiming the calculation to be consistent with others or not. I was simply making the calculations myself (of which I had not idea how it would turn out; whether it would be a megajoule or a petajoule) and stating what I got. I intentionally left the validity of the calculation unconcluded. Obviously it is inconsistent with higher end ST showings. Also note that I did not bring up the solar flare incident; Mike did, and I calculated it. It's not my fault that it turned out to be so low.

But please, what are this "allot of factors" that I missed?

it is a proper rebuttal when you make a blatantly insane claim like that

1. Do you agree with the claim that Star Wars ships run on diesel fuel (a claim made by some pro Trek members)? Because that is far more ridiculous than this one, yet you have not refuted it, and people in this forum seem to consider it to be a plausible idea.

2. Unlike the diesel fuel claim, which is completely ridiculous*, the idea that Star Trek ships can only stand up to a few megajoules, while obviously inconsistent with Star Trek canon, is consistent with real life science, in which the absorption of megatons of energy by magic shields is not plausible.*

*Why would an interstellar civilization use diesel fuel for spaceships? How could a starship possibly get anywhere in space using diesel fuel? Why use diesel fuel when you could use fusion?

*Yes, Star Wars has these shields too.

you aren't the inverse square law what you are is a fanboy who parrots another guys argument

Mike Wong did not make a solar flare calculation.

and basically rapes scientific terms like a bubba in a super max on fresh meat..and does so with a Faux intellectual attitude

When did I misuse the Inverse Square Law? I got the formula right, and used the right units. I typed it into a calculator, which is difficult to accuse of falsely.

in other words your claims = bullshit stop trying this idiotic "durr durr refuting me is like refuting scientific fact" this is like an inquisitor claiming "refuting me is refuting the will of god" and done with just as much ignorance and fanaticism leave that at the door and debate right or get the hell out of this thread

Why don't you PROVE that my calculations were wrong? You claimed this:

"and basically rapes scientific terms "

How? Where did I do the calculations wrong? What mistake did I make?

[User1356]

This is all so familiar, I just cant quite place it

[Admiral Breetai]

You know what? You have a quality of a common politician; to sprout several minutes of nonsense when asked a question that he/she cannot answer.

I could of just ignored it as I'm pretty sure no one on this forum actually looked at that accusation as anything other than a farcicle joke of a desperate troll..that is *absolutely* not backed up by anything at all

but I actually bothered to entertain you and you ignore it..face it SWST your breat you lost the moment you tried what you just tried simply put I'm a tier above you and in the words of a famous anime character "you can no more reach my level than you can touch the moon"

Like Sarah Palin, who, when asked a question she cannot answer, says stuff that has nothing to do with the question, which was often times a simple yes/no!

there you go with the religious right comparison again and again it's bigoted and pathetic...don't do it again it's ignorant prejudicial and it's a really terrible debate tactic

My reversal is completely legitimate, because your question was full of hypocrisy and douchebaggery. You accuse me of parotting Wong, yet you completely fail to give a single example in which you do not parrot darkstar or his allies.

seriously that was just epic fail

I was not claiming the calculation to be consistent with others or not. I was simply making the calculations myself (of which I had not idea how it would turn out; whether it would be a megajoule or a petajoule) and stating what I got. I intentionally left the validity of the calculation unconcluded. Obviously it is inconsistent with higher end ST showings. Also note that I did not bring up the solar flare incident; Mike did, and I calculated it. It's not my fault that it turned out to be so low.

since your not capable of honesty it absolutely is

But please, what are this "allot of factors" that I missed?

so you can ignore them again like you did my explanation to why your accusing me of puppeting the ideals of people I never even heard of until a few months ago was an exercise in completely hilarious desperate deflecting?

1. Do you agree with the claim that Star Wars ships run on diesel fuel (a claim made by some pro Trek members)? Because that is far more ridiculous than this one, yet you have not refuted it, and people in this forum seem to consider it to be a plausible idea.

what the hell does this have to do with anything? and no I don't agree with that claim that's a fantastically dumb claim...it's about as dumb as the RedFears infamous "ww1 era battleships have superior fire power to ISD's" claim

if your only defense to something that ludicrous is to bring up an even more insane claim then theres no hope

2. Unlike the diesel fuel claim, which is completely ridiculous*, the idea that Star Trek ships can only stand up to a few megajoules, while obviously inconsistent with Star Trek canon, is consistent with real life science, in which the absorption of megatons of energy by magic shields is not plausible.*

if it's inconsistent with canon it's invalid and as far as measuring up to real life science? it's fiction fuck science..a good writer cares not for such things Lucas knew this once..and gave us three awesome movies

Mike Wong did not make a solar flare calculation.

and I don't believe your capable of doing your own math with out gratuitous hand holding or leeching off some one elses work

When did I misuse the Inverse Square Law? I got the formula right, and used the right units. I typed it into a calculator, which is difficult to accuse of falsely.

your a proven DOW and a die hard SW fan that is enough

Why don't you PROVE that my calculations were wrong? You claimed this:

why waste time on some one who's very clearly only interested in acting like an E thug and showing every one up here..and when that failed..butthurt trolling?

[Praeothmin]

Breetai, that does it.
I'm tired of you constantly harping on SWST.
You are starting to sound like KSW, with his high and mighty attitude which is franckly immature and annoying with comments like this:

simply put I'm a tier above you and in the words of a famous anime character "you can no more reach my level than you can touch the moon"

And this

why waste time on some one who's very clearly only interested in acting like an E thug and showing every one up here..and when that failed..butthurt trolling?

You get another warning, and for the last time:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SWST HAS TO SAY, IF YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE REPEATING ARGUMENTS YOU ALREADY MADE EONS AGO, THEN IGNORE HIM, PERIOD...

Thank you...

[mojo]

...why has mojo not been warned to lay this off?

because it's all true, you stupid jackass! what more evidence do you need?

[Admiral Breetai]

he wasn't warned to lay off you because he is voicing accurate and irrefutable concerns one of which you've recently been punished for

in short..you deserve it and are now as he accused you of playing the victim