Star Trek/Star Wars-Strengths and weakness

[Admiral Breetai]

Except that the FTL is only good in SW territory. It's no use in the ST Milky Way galaxy because there are no ready-use hyperspace lanes to exploit, and it would take years, perhaps centuries for the Empire or whatever power in SW to chart strategically useful ones, never mind tactical ones.
-Mike

well if you want a vs match where one guy can never ever hope to attack while the other party goes from snails pace to crossing thousands of lightyears in seconds then by all means head the ftl disparity due to lack of star charts

for my part though i prefer hand wave such things so we can has sum good ol'fashion fighten!!

[Mike DiCenso]

Then the Trek side gets the same in return. We are talking about how each side has some incredible FTL speeds... when they're in charted territory. And you of all people should be aware of the fact that the ST side has some pretty impressive speeds in the charted Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

So what it really comes down to is an outright curbstomp invasion of each other's space is almost right out of the question, so no "LOL, uberFTL for the winz" crap.
-Mike

[Praeothmin]

Agreed, except in known territory, SW has a slight FTL advantage, though not one to give it victory in 1 on 1 scenarios, or even in invasion plans... :)

[Mr. Oragahn]

Agreed, except in known territory, SW has a slight FTL advantage, though not one to give it victory in 1 on 1 scenarios, or even in invasion plans... :)

Slight advantage... in well charted spaces, Star Wars achieves FTL speeds which are certainly way above "slightly faster".
Now, the upper ends often end being achieved by the Sith, at least as far the movies go, but Yoda's move of the fleet to Geonosis was very fast.
Then again, perhaps Jedi and Sith have access to a special reading of the galaxy through the Force, but even Lucas doesn't seem to make such a thing a fact in TCWS.
Yet Anakin, not full trained, can't really make Amidal's yatch get to Geonosis anyway fast, and Grievous' supership is slow as hell. And then Solo's trip to Bespin was particularly sluggish.
As for the Rebel fleet attack on Endor, according to the EU they used a sort of secret but very well charted and updated route.
I'm not sure how things line up in TCWS because I haven't paid much attention to FTL and didn't watch much of it, but I notice that many high ends FTL speeds often happen with the Sith or high level Jedi Masters being involved in a way or another.
Now, since TCWS seems to often involve up tier Jedi Masters or Sidious or Dooku, my observation may go down the drain because there will probably be all sorts of speeds, regardless of the presence or not of such "high quality" Force sensitive people.

[Admiral Breetai]

Then the Trek side gets the same in return. We are talking about how each side has some incredible FTL speeds... when they're in charted territory. And you of all people should be aware of the fact that the ST side has some pretty impressive speeds in the charted Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

So what it really comes down to is an outright curbstomp invasion of each other's space is almost right out of the question, so no "LOL, uberFTL for the winz" crap.
-Mike

not really the empire can have all its ftl blitz it wants no imperial fleet can survive taking a fed core world

[User1607]

Agreed, except in known territory, SW has a slight FTL advantage, though not one to give it victory in 1 on 1 scenarios, or even in invasion plans... :)

Particularly since after "Endgame," I'm sure the Federation has Borg subspace-conduit technology as well.
Also hyperdrive could make their ships hyper-vulnerable to FTL weapons via the shift to tachyonic hypermass, when it impacted normal antimatter like photorps.

[User1607]

Agreed, except in known territory, SW has a slight FTL advantage, though not one to give it victory in 1 on 1 scenarios, or even in invasion plans... :)

Slight advantage... in well charted spaces, Star Wars achieves FTL speeds which are certainly way above "slightly faster".

And don't forget the 200 GT HTL's. ;-P

Now, the upper ends often end being achieved by the Sith, at least as far the movies go, but Yoda's move of the fleet to Geonosis was very fast.

Not when considering that that the "games" on Geonosis took place at set dates, not on demand; he arrived shortly after the Jedi did.

Yet Anakin, not full trained, can't really make Amidal's yatch get to Geonosis anyway fast, and Grievous' supership is slow as hell. And then Solo's trip to Bespin was particularly sluggish.

Which was why he was going there for repairs to his hyperdrive, not a spice-run.

As for the Rebel fleet attack on Endor, according to the EU they used a sort of secret but very well charted and updated route.

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Was it supposed to be particularly fast, or simply to avoid Imperial notice?

[User1607]

Then the Trek side gets the same in return. We are talking about how each side has some incredible FTL speeds... when they're in charted territory. And you of all people should be aware of the fact that the ST side has some pretty impressive speeds in the charted Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

So what it really comes down to is an outright curbstomp invasion of each other's space is almost right out of the question, so no "LOL, uberFTL for the winz" crap.
-Mike

Not if every ship has a star-map. The difference is that ST ships can engage in STL combat, SW's can't-- and in fact SW ships would be hypervulnerable in hyperspace due to the tachyon shift by which it supposedly operates.

[mojo]

now this is eu, of course, but i do recall reading in the bane books that not only did the hyperdrives in sw come from outside the galaxy or something, but that NOONE ACTUALLY KNEW HOW THEY WORKED. they could replicate them of course, but they didn't understand how they worked. i assume this is not an issue by the OT era, yes?

[mojo]

as to the topic at hand, i had always accepted the 'sw is uber-industry' claims blindly until addy began questioning them. i have to say, he has convinced me.
i do believe that since gl has proclaimed tfu to be canon, jedi and sith are quite possibly a MUCH MUCH GREATER danger than they have been assumed to be til now. we can't simply put aside the danger of a jedi or sith who can conceivably pull starships from orbit or smash one into another using the force. and i hate the argument that goes, 'well if a jedi or sith could do that, we would have seen them do it in the movies' because it's pointless. it doesn't matter why they didn't do it, if lucas says they can do it, they can do it. given the scarcity of jedi and sith in most eras, i'm not sure it would be a decisive factor, but it's definitely something that needs to be rethought.

[Mr. Oragahn]

as to the topic at hand, i had always accepted the 'sw is uber-industry' claims blindly until addy began questioning them. i have to say, he has convinced me.
i do believe that since gl has proclaimed tfu to be canon, jedi and sith are quite possibly a MUCH MUCH GREATER danger than they have been assumed to be til now. we can't simply put aside the danger of a jedi or sith who can conceivably pull starships from orbit or smash one into another using the force. and i hate the argument that goes, 'well if a jedi or sith could do that, we would have seen them do it in the movies' because it's pointless. it doesn't matter why they didn't do it, if lucas says they can do it, they can do it. given the scarcity of jedi and sith in most eras, i'm not sure it would be a decisive factor, but it's definitely something that needs to be rethought.

aaaaaand that's why we have the concept of outlier. Meaning that no matter the creator, any of them is open to do, once or twice in their life, something truly stupid.
We've seen Yoda, Windu, Anakin/Vader, Sidious, Dooku, Obi-Wan acting and it never ever came close to that.

[Praeothmin]

Which means Galen Marek can do it, but others can't for some reason...

[Mr. Oragahn]

Which means Galen Marek can do it, but others can't for some reason...

Doesn't work. Heck, it's even contradicted in the game. I don't recall you get to do something as awesome as that, and obviously that would have been a gazillion times more than enough to squish Vader. But if we go with such a stupid feat and breach of canon, let's also accept that TLs can't even make big explosions and anyone on a scooter can outpace these bolts.

They size doesn't matter, let's bring that moon down now.

[mojo]

dumb. just dumb. not to mention hypocritical.

[Khas]

Not to mention that Marek is a lot more powerful then them. And the ISD was already in motion and facing him when he pulled it down. Last time I checked, it's easier to move an already-moving object than it is to move a stationary one.