What in the Star Wars EU has been contradicted by T-canon?

[User1601]

Here's a thought:

Ryloth has 5 moons; so even if the planet didn't rotate relative to the sun, daylight could still change from high noon to total night for the same location, due to regular and frequent solar eclipses.

The only way to tell, would be if either if

1) the sun is actually shown in different places in the sky at the same geographic location and camera-direction; or
2) the shadow of a fixed object changes its length and position, ala a sundial.

[Lucky]

Here's a thought:

Ryloth has 5 moons; so even if the planet didn't rotate relative to the sun, daylight could still change from high noon to total night for the same location, due to regular and frequent solar eclipses.

The only way to tell, would be if either if

1) the sun is actually shown in different places in the sky at the same geographic location and camera-direction; or
2) the shadow of a fixed object changes its length and position, ala a sundial.

What moons are you talking about? I can't find a scene that shows a single moon.

The CIS could only come from one direction because of the very high rock walls on either side, and that means the droid army is as good as a sundial in this case.

[Mike DiCenso]

Ryloth, according to some EU sources, such as "Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds", has five moons.
-Mike

[User1601]

Ryloth, according to some EU sources, such as "Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds", has five moons.
-Mike

That's what I meant: i.e. according to EU sources; I didn't mean to state that as a canonical fact found elsewhere.

The CIS could only come from one direction because of the very high rock walls on either side, and that means the droid army is as good as a sundial in this case.

Except that there's no way to know how fast the planet would rotate, if it did indeed rotate; it could very well do so only 10 times/orbital year, thereby meaning that if its year was the same duration as Earth's, then an actual sundial on Ryloth would move only one "hour" (i.e. 15 degrees) for every 3 earth-days of time that passed.

Therefore even if the approach lasted an entire Earth-day, and even if it could be reliable as a sundial due to moving in one direction, then their shadows would only move about 5 degrees in the above scenario from beginning to end.

It's not like the planet will either have an Earth-rotation, or none at all; it could be any speed.

[Lucky]

The CIS could only come from one direction because of the very high rock walls on either side, and that means the droid army is as good as a sundial in this case.

Except that there's no way to know how fast the planet would rotate, if it did indeed rotate; it could very well do so only 10 times/orbital year, thereby meaning that if its year was the same duration as Earth's, then an actual sundial on Ryloth would move only one "hour" (i.e. 15 degrees) for every 3 earth-days of time that passed.

Therefore even if the approach lasted an entire Earth-day, and even if it could be reliable as a sundial due to moving in one direction, then their shadows would only move about 5 degrees in the above scenario from beginning to end.

It's not like the planet will either have an Earth-rotation, or none at all; it could be any speed.

We know that the episode seems to start in the Ryloth morning, and end in the Ryloth evening, and that during this time Bail and Jar-Jar are on Toydaria trying to get supplies to Ryloth.

[User1601]

The CIS could only come from one direction because of the very high rock walls on either side, and that means the droid army is as good as a sundial in this case.

Except that there's no way to know how fast the planet would rotate, if it did indeed rotate; it could very well do so only 10 times/orbital year, thereby meaning that if its year was the same duration as Earth's, then an actual sundial on Ryloth would move only one "hour" (i.e. 15 degrees) for every 3 earth-days of time that passed.

Therefore even if the approach lasted an entire Earth-day, and even if it could be reliable as a sundial due to moving in one direction, then their shadows would only move about 5 degrees in the above scenario from beginning to end.

It's not like the planet will either have an Earth-rotation, or none at all; it could be any speed.

We know that the episode seems to start in the Ryloth morning, and end in the Ryloth evening, and that during this time Bail and Jar-Jar are on Toydaria trying to get supplies to Ryloth.

How can you tell morning from evening? Is the sky different shades in different directions or something? Do you actually ever see the sun, or shadows?
The CGI in TCW is so cheap, that it would be hard to tell.

[Lucky]

The CIS could only come from one direction because of the very high rock walls on either side, and that means the droid army is as good as a sundial in this case.

Except that there's no way to know how fast the planet would rotate, if it did indeed rotate; it could very well do so only 10 times/orbital year, thereby meaning that if its year was the same duration as Earth's, then an actual sundial on Ryloth would move only one "hour" (i.e. 15 degrees) for every 3 earth-days of time that passed.

Therefore even if the approach lasted an entire Earth-day, and even if it could be reliable as a sundial due to moving in one direction, then their shadows would only move about 5 degrees in the above scenario from beginning to end.

It's not like the planet will either have an Earth-rotation, or none at all; it could be any speed.

We know that the episode seems to start in the Ryloth morning, and end in the Ryloth evening, and that during this time Bail and Jar-Jar are on Toydaria trying to get supplies to Ryloth.

How can you tell morning from evening? Is the sky different shades in different directions or something? Do you actually ever see the sun, or shadows?
The CGI in TCW is so cheap, that it would be hard to tell.

I posed ample evidence already to show the sun moves across the sky. If you failed to look at it, or the full episode that isn't my problem. I seem to recall Mace also bedding down for the night in a different Ryloth episode.

At the start of the episode(Supply lines) the sun is at the CIS's back, and at the end of the episodes the sun is in the CIS's faces.

How long a Ryloth day is is unknown, but we know the Republic was able to send Bail and Jar-Jar to Toydaria, and then the diplomats spent a Toydarian day with the supplies leaving Toydaria at dinner time, and reaching Ryloth just as the Republic forces are all killed.

We can likely used the invasion of Naboo to get an idea of how long a Rylothian day is.

[User1601]

It doesn't matter how long a day is; as long as there is one, the planet's NOT tidal-locked.

Lucas has been known to trash the EU at whim, and it's his absolute prerogative to do so; so if the sun changes position in the sky at the same place, then he's done it with Ryloth.

[Nowhereman10]

I think based on the video Lucky provided, as well as having rewatched the full episodes at Mastertoon.com, that Ryloth is rotating, though how long it takes to do so is not clearly established, even with the Toydarian scenes.

What I find interesting about this is we have an EU construct, that is the name Ryloth and the fact that it is the homeworld of the Twi'lek people . However we clearly have a situation that while the higher canon TCW has chosen to take those two elements, but not chosen to portray Ryloth as a tidal locked world. Instead it portrays something more like a normal Terrestrial day-to-night rotation.

Are there any other EU to TCW comparisons to be made besides Ryloth and Mandalore?

[User1601]

I think based on the video Lucky provided, as well as having rewatched the full episodes at Mastertoon.com, that Ryloth is rotating, though how long it takes to do so is not clearly established, even with the Toydarian scenes.

What I find interesting about this is we have an EU construct, that is the name Ryloth and the fact that it is the homeworld of the Twi'lek people . However we clearly have a situation that while the higher canon TCW has chosen to take those two elements, but not chosen to portray Ryloth as a tidal locked world. Instead it portrays something more like a normal Terrestrial day-to-night rotation.

Again, Lucas is at liberty to filch the EU for whatever he pleases, and has no duty to it whatsoever-- he doesn't even need to be consistent with the movies, it seems.

While SW was never a stickler for technical geological accuracy (like plant-free planets such as Hoth and Tatooine having oxygen atmospheres, or Taooine's twin suns not causing massive temperature-changes during the year), there's certain problems with a tidal-locked planet as well-- particularly since the EU claimed that Ryloth had super-high winds in places, while in reality a dry, tidal-locked planet wouldn't be likely to have much wind at all due to the arid, stagnant environment.
Rather, the surface would be perfectly evenly-heated in all parts, while dry air doesn't convey much heat from one part to another; rather, all water on the planet would be collected as ice on the far side to create an ice-mountain until it reached equilibrium; meanwhile the near side would be baked dry by the never-ending sun.
The only change would be from the solar eclipses, as I mentioned above; but depending on the size and orbit of those moons, it wouldn't make much difference.

In contrast, a rotating planet would allow it to sustain life.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

every single feat performed by a Jedi ever..ever in the Eu for starters should be automatically declared invalid for use as evidence for movie based characters entirely

Excuse me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NS9NtNdqN4

T canon is perhaps the biggest Jedi wankfest of the Star Wars canon. And the new Clone Wars animated series, while less extreme, still has uber pwnage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5drtiw66jM

the ICS isn't backed up by anything at all for that matter

Hmm:

Death Star, if you take it as DET
Star Wars Death Star
Star Wars Slave Ship
Star Wars Star by Star
Star Wars Revelation
Star Wars Imperial guidebook

[Admiral Breetai]

Excuse me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NS9NtNdqN4

T canon is perhaps the biggest Jedi wankfest of the Star Wars canon. And the new Clone Wars animated series, while less extreme, still has uber pwnage:

why are you linking me to that bad ass cartoon? i didn't say anything on the matter and it certainly is not valid canon wise it isn't the movies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5drtiw66jM

yes this totally compares to the idiocy that was dark empire in terms of wank yes?

Hmm:

Death Star, if you take it as DET

I don't so no..as far as I'm concerned

Star Wars Death Star

are you citing to me guide books and data books? I care not..for such things nor are they the primary canon

if you mean the machine..again the death star itself supports nothing of the sort

]Star Wars Slave Ship

lolwut?

]Star Wars Star by Star

Star Wars Revelation
Star Wars Imperial guidebook

the rest is again irrelevant stuff that is not the films and thus not able to defend the ICS..do not cite useless secondary material that is not the primary canon to me man..I'll just ignore it as valid on the basis that it is massively inconsistent

[User1601]

Death Star, if you take it as DET

How can the DS be a DET, if it leaves behind the "Aderaan Graveyard" despite the planet exploding with a supposed 6E+38J-- enough to vaporize it 10,000 times over, while likewise exploding at 1400 times escape-velocity?
By those figures, there'd be nothing left of it in the solar system.

And while your at it, explain how the planet exploded from the inside out, while a DET would cause the pieces to explode in the other direction?

[Mike DiCenso]

Hmm:

Death Star, if you take it as DET
Star Wars Death Star
Star Wars Slave Ship
Star Wars Star by Star
Star Wars Revelation
Star Wars Imperial guidebook

How does any of this support the ICS? The Death Star novel, as has already been pointed out, does not in any way support Saxton-authored ICS power levels. In fact it tends to contradict it quite a bit by showing the superlaser uses some kind of wonky chain-reaction hyperspace process to shunt most of a planet's mass out of realspace, which in turn causes severe effects on the remaining mass and thus the explosion that sends the rest of it flying outwards. You don't need a 1e38 J weapon for that. We've also shown that the Death Star is largely passive when moving about a system at sublight, so you can't claim even a 1e28 W power generation for the reactor. And your fallacy of a straight linear scaling down of the DS reactor to an ISD has already been proven wrong by several people here.
-Mke

[Mr. Oragahn]

SWST, do you plan on repeating the same points in a multitude of threads without actually debating them once?
It's been proved beyond hope that in "Death Star" that aside from the superlaser specifics, the firepower of ISD is capped by the effects of low power superlasers which find themselves inferior to the firepower claims for traditional naval warships from the ICS.
It's also firmly established that the surface defenses of the Death Star are what would be enough to outfire a large fleet, even if it were made of SSDs, pretty much fixing the interpretation from ANH about the Death Star having more firepower than blah blah.

The Imperial Sourcebook certainly doesn't either. It's been heavily documented here.
As for Slave Ship, it says an ISD's turbolasers can withstand the recoil of explosions in the giga-tonnage range, which is already many orders of magnitude below the ICS.

As for the other novels, we will obviously wait for strong evidence. But your ignorance on such points is staggering, and your obtuse refusal to admit facts despite being very detailed here gets quite tiring, especially since you don't even try to show how they're wrong.