Commentary on StarWarsStarTrek v. Admiral Breetai

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Did you even read my calculations? It's based on the G canon showing of the Death Star's speed. How is this not from G canon?

Those calculations are terribly flawed as they would mean the DS has no mass lightening or inertial dampening and if it did not have those two systems the moment it started to move it would rip itself apart.

And yes i did read your calculations and pointed the same flaw out but you must have missed it.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Did you even read my calculations? It's based on the G canon showing of the Death Star's speed. How is this not from G canon?

Those calculations are terribly flawed as they would mean the DS has no mass lightening or inertial dampening and if it did not have those two systems the moment it started to move it would rip itself apart.

And yes i did read your calculations and pointed the same flaw out but you must have missed it.

Even if the inertial dampening reduced the mass by 99%, that's still e28 joules.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Did you even read my calculations? It's based on the G canon showing of the Death Star's speed. How is this not from G canon?

Those calculations are terribly flawed as they would mean the DS has no mass lightening or inertial dampening and if it did not have those two systems the moment it started to move it would rip itself apart.

And yes i did read your calculations and pointed the same flaw out but you must have missed it.

Even if the inertial dampening reduced the mass by 99%, that's still e28 joules.

And even if the inertial dampening reduced the mass by 99% it would still crumple and rip itself apart as soon as it started accelerating at even a absurdly slow speed let alone the sublight velocities some claim it can achieve.

[Mike DiCenso]

There's an additional flaw, or two, I believe, since SWST decided to use the mass from Robert Anderson's website, which generously presumes that each Death Star has the same high density per meter cubed as a Star Trek ship does.

The maximum I get, assuming 500 trillion metric tons and a generous 100 kps velocity, is somewhere around 5.0E+28 J, though this energy was applied over some time, not instantly and represents the maximum orbital velocity of the first Death Star. If as you assume that 99% of the mass is taken off, then we're down to 4.95e26 J, which is much more in-line with the energy release of a chain-reaction explosion of the reactor yeilding a "small sun" in output.

Now, the Death Star first comes out of hyperspace a 5:54 as seen here. We cut to the Rebel briefing and the "Maximum velocity" statement does not come until 7:47. About 2 minutes later, and we assume that is highly generous given it will take 30 minutes to orbit Yavin, whereas earlier the battlestation is shown a considerable distance away from the big gas giant, perhaps 2-3 planetary diameters away, thus 2 minutes to expend 4.95e26 J is very generous. So divide by 115 seconds gives us a peak reactor propulsion output of 430,434,782,608,695,652,173,913,043.47826 watts.
-Mike

[Admiral Breetai]

why hasn't he been dealt with? this dude just insulted me like two or three times in his post and he's not even bothering to hide the fact that his entire agenda was simply to topic bait

[Praeothmin]

why hasn't he been dealt with? this dude just insulted me like two or three times in his post and he's not even bothering to hide the fact that his entire agenda was simply to topic bait

Where has he insulted you?

[Admiral Breetai]

I have no desire to revisit a debate where my opponents gonna do nothing but make up stories..and come at me with non canon fan numbers

if he replies I'll take a look at it I despise giving trolls the last word but I think enough is enough..no need to make the cut..JMS..but thanks for clean up all the same

[StarWarsStarTrek]

And even if the inertial dampening reduced the mass by 99% it would still crumple and rip itself apart as soon as it started accelerating at even a absurdly slow speed let alone the sublight velocities some claim it can achieve.

So then you're going against your own claim.

You claim that it would crumple. Prove this.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I have no desire to revisit a debate where my opponents gonna do nothing but make up stories..and come at me with non canon fan numbers
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Non canon fan numbers? You called it non canon fan math. Apparently, you think that math is some warsie invention, and that kinetic energy or the formula for density was also invented by Mike Wong.

Also, why are you accusing me of trolling and insulting you when you accused people of being cyber terrorists and said that all of my posts were biased and trolling? Why do you have such double standards.

[Mr. Oragahn]

So divide by 115 seconds gives us a peak reactor propulsion output of 430,434,782,608,695,652,173,913,043.47826 watts.
-Mike

Translation:

Roughly 4.3 e26 W.

[Mike DiCenso]

Actually, more like a rough 4.3e25 W.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

I have no desire to revisit a debate where my opponents gonna do nothing but make up stories..and come at me with non canon fan numbers
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Non canon fan numbers? You called it non canon fan math. Apparently, you think that math is some warsie invention, and that kinetic energy or the formula for density was also invented by Mike Wong.

Also, why are you accusing me of trolling and insulting you when you accused people of being cyber terrorists and said that all of my posts were biased and trolling? Why do you have such double standards.

Where has Admiral Breetai accused you in this thread of being a "cyber terrorist"? Also it looks more like Breetai is accusing you of using extremely faulty assumptions (whether they be your faulty assumptions or Wong's), which is what just about everyone else here has called you out on, and not, as you claim for using math or anything else.
-Mike

[Mith]

I have no desire to revisit a debate where my opponents gonna do nothing but make up stories..and come at me with non canon fan numbers
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Non canon fan numbers? You called it non canon fan math. Apparently, you think that math is some warsie invention, and that kinetic energy or the formula for density was also invented by Mike Wong.

Also, why are you accusing me of trolling and insulting you when you accused people of being cyber terrorists and said that all of my posts were biased and trolling? Why do you have such double standards.

Numbers don't lie, but people do.

Manipulating people by using proper math, but improper reasoning for said math isn't new nor is it particularly clever save to those ignorant of the subject matter. We aren't on about Wong's math formula. We're talking about the reason behind said formula.

[Admiral Breetai]

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Numbers don't lie, but people do.

Manipulating people by using proper math, but improper reasoning for said math isn't new nor is it particularly clever save to those ignorant of the subject matter. We aren't on about Wong's math formula. We're talking about the reason behind said formula.

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Where has Admiral Breetai accused you in this thread of being a "cyber terrorist"? Also it looks more like Breetai is accusing you of using extremely faulty assumptions (whether they be your faulty assumptions or Wong's), which is what just about everyone else here has called you out on, and not, as you claim for using math or anything else.
-Mike

that's exactly what I'm saying these two posts sum it up and on rumbles we proved this..time and time again that wong and most of his followers heavily distort and submit biased math that in many cases was based off radical speculation..not enough substance in many instances falsified

that's one of the reason we made is bannable to calculate any feat..after a four year long forum war with people doing that "fan math" being used to interpret canon just got too risky i'm in no way going to indulge or recognize SWST's math for that simple reason he's parroting wong..using his methodology..and I know this from years of experience to be..the antithesis of objective calcing..and it will not be entertained in any debate by me

also I never called that kid a cyberterrorist

edit-that poster I just put in was not an attempt to flame..just another attempt at trying to get SWST to enjoy the debate and not take things so seriously..ice breakage..so mike proth JMS...I like posting on your forum..really truly do..plz don't ban me *puppy eyes*

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I have no desire to revisit a debate where my opponents gonna do nothing but make up stories..and come at me with non canon fan numbers
e

Non canon fan numbers? You called it non canon fan math. Apparently, you think that math is some warsie invention, and that kinetic energy or the formula for density was also invented by Mike Wong.

Also, why are you accusing me of trolling and insulting you when you accused people of being cyber terrorists and said that all of my posts were biased and trolling? Why do you have such double standards.

Where has Admiral Breetai accused you in this thread of being a "cyber terrorist"? Also it looks more like Breetai is accusing you of using extremely faulty assumptions (whether they be your faulty assumptions or Wong's), which is what just about everyone else here has called you out on, and not, as you claim for using math or anything else.
-Mike

Yes, he's accusing me of faulty assumptions...but actively refuses to provide proof for it. When I ask for proof, he says that he does not have to because fan calculations are irrelevant.