The UFP vs. The Romulan Star Empire

[Enterprise E]

Ten years after the Dominion War, the Romulans, seeing a good time to expand the Empire, wish to take over what remains of the Cardassian Union. The Cardassians call on the Federation for assistance and the Federation condemns the action. The Romulans push the issue and send a task force into Cardassian space and they encounter a Starfleet task force as well. The Romulans tell the Federation to stand aside or they will charge forward, thinking the Federation won't risk inciting a war by defending the Cardassians. The Federation stands firm and the Romulans fire on the task force to show that they mean business. The Federation task force defends itself and a battle ensues. The Romulans don't take what happened at the Cardassian border well and they declare war on the Federation.

Who wins?

[Praeothmin]

From what we saw of the Dominion War, the Federation came out in better shape then the Romulans after the war.
Add to that the problems that came from Shinzon, the fact that Romulus no longer exists, and I think you already have your answer... :)

[Mike DiCenso]

We may presume that Enterprise-E ment an alternate universe Romulan Empire where Romulus didn't get destroyed by a supernova.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Come to think of it, would it not be better to move this thread over to the "Other analysis, crossovers, and debates" forum seeing as this is not germane to the Trek versus Wars debate?
-Mike

[Enterprise E]

Actually, this is only ten years after the Dominion War. This would place the time at 2385. Romulus was destroyed in 2387, two years after the war would begin. Granted this would mean that the Federation would only have to hold out for two years before the Romulan Empire suffered a crippling blow to any war effort, but that still gives them two good years to fight. And the Dominion War lasted only a little longer than two years, so I think that there is still a good opportunity for the two sides to beat each other around before the war, if it lasts that long, would likely end prematurely.

[Mr. Oragahn]

We may presume that Enterprise-E ment an alternate universe Romulan Empire where Romulus didn't get destroyed by a supernova.
-Mike

More like a wonkanova. Even a hypernova would fall short of the observed effects. :)

[Praeothmin]

I still give it to the Federation for the reasons I mentioned:
It came out of the Dominion War in a way better shape the the Romulan Empire, and the Empire was dealt another crippling blow with the Shinzon affair, so the Federation should win this one.

[Jasonb]

It ready depends what class starships UFP is using and what class starship Romulan Star Empire is using. UFP used longer number of USS Prometheus class starships and the Romuman Star Empire is using War birds it one way fight Federation would send Romuman star Empires sue for peace. If Romuman Star Empire was able builds a few Scimitar class starships. I could see a war that could last a few years UFP take over Romuman Star Empire. IF Romuman Star Empire could some how build massive fleets of the Scimitar class starships. That I can not see happening knowing just how long it takes to build one Galaxy class starship. I would think take longer to build a Scimitar class starship. If Rouman Star Empire did it thought they could Federation sue peace.

[Praeothmin]

It ready depends what class starships UFP is using and what class starship Romulan Star Empire is using. UFP used longer number of USS Prometheus class starships and the Romuman Star Empire is using War birds it one way fight Federation would send Romuman star Empires sue for peace. If Romuman Star Empire was able builds a few Scimitar class starships. I could see a war that could last a few years UFP take over Romuman Star Empire. IF Romuman Star Empire could some how build massive fleets of the Scimitar class starships. That I can not see happening knowing just how long it takes to build one Galaxy class starship. I would think take longer to build a Scimitar class starship. If Rouman Star Empire did it thought they could Federation sue peace.

Well, I'm willing to bet it's faster to build three Defiant-Class ships then one Scimitar-Class ship.
Imagine the fight in Nemesis, but instead of facing 1 not so maneuverable Sovereign-class, it had to face three highly maneuverable, extremely tough, hard as nails Defiants.
That would've made quite a difference...

[Picard]

Except that SOvereign class is much stronger than Defiant. After all, it incorporated at least some technology developed for Defiant class.

[Praeothmin]

Except that SOvereign class is much stronger than Defiant. After all, it incorporated at least some technology developed for Defiant class.

I'm not sure how "much stronger" it is, first of all, second the Scimitar would not be facing 1, but three highly maneuverable ships so that while it pounds 1, at least one of the other two can hit it.
The Scimitar would most likely get hit more often then the three Defiants, and so would not be in such good shape when its cloak fails...

[Picard]

Defiant has two quantum torpedo launchers; each can fire quantum torpedo every 1.5 to 2 seconds. Quantum torpedo launcher onboard Sovereign class can fire several quantum torpedoes per second. Sovereign class also has greater number of photon torpedo launchers. However, several Defiant-class starships (several are needed to match firepower of Sovereign class) have greater tactical flexibility, as opposed to single battleship.

[Praeothmin]

Where does your Defiant ROF come from?

And the E-E, at most, fired a burst of 3 Qtorps in ST FC, and its ROF wasn't that impressive in the fight against the Scimitar, torpedo wise...

And while the Defiant doesn't have the torpedo ROF of the E-E, it crushes the E-E's ROF with its main weapon, the Pulse Phasers.
So imagine three Defiants maneuvering like the MF in RotJ, firing their Pulse Phasers like madmen, saturating the area with fire...
And imagine the Scimitar, trying to acquire targetting locks on much smaller, much much more maneuverable targets, of which it has 3 instead of just 1...
The fight would have been different...

[Picard]

Defiant's QT ROF is just eyeball estimate I made. But Quantum Torpedoes are both Sovereign's and Defiant's main weapon. I think that Sovereign fired greater burst than just three torpedoes in FC, and about Scimitar, ship was cloaked most of time so E-E fiought almost blind. It is natural your ROF will not be high in such condition.

[Picard]

Although, I would rather have Sovereign and two Defiants than Sovereign and two Valdores against Scimitar.