What if the Mirrorverse Terran Empire & the SW GE meet?

[Mike DiCenso]

Since you've choosen to have the 22nd century TE fight the GE, it will go very badly for the TE since they are nowhere near technologically advanced enough to counter the larger and much greater number of ships, and somewhat higher tech level of the GE.
-Mike

Well it is obvious that just as I suspected the Terran Empire falls apart after Kirk's visit in the 23rd century so I had to choose a slightly earlier time at least before Spock and Kirk appear. They would not stand a chance after Kirk's visit since they could not stand against the Klingon/Cardassian alliance arraigned against them.

But more importantly why is it that everybody seems to assume that they automatically have to be enemies the very moment they see each other?

Yeah, but you knee-jerked by setting the era for the TE too far in the past when it is technologically and industrially incapable of putting up a lot of resistance to the GE in the advent of an all-out war with each other. By setting things a few years before "Our" universe Kirk appears via the transporter accident, the TE stands a better chance of holding out against the GE.
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

We need not assume that the DS9 Mirrorverse is the same as the one Kirk entered. It need only be one that branched off from the universe in which the Kirk event occurred.

For instance, there might be another universe where Spock was killed before his plan could be executed, and another in which he was perfectly successful *and* the Earth fleets repulsed any alien attack, and everything was sunshine and fluffy bunnies forevermore.

Well yeah but since we are going strictly by canon sources that the cards one has to play with...

[Mike DiCenso]

We need not assume that the DS9 Mirrorverse is the same as the one Kirk entered. It need only be one that branched off from the universe in which the Kirk event occurred.

For instance, there might be another universe where Spock was killed before his plan could be executed, and another in which he was perfectly successful *and* the Earth fleets repulsed any alien attack, and everything was sunshine and fluffy bunnies forevermore.

Except that the Mirror universe appears uniquely tied to the "Regular" universe, including various people existing who should not given the wildly diverging histories of the two universes.
-Mike

[ILikeDeathNote]

But more importantly why is it that everybody seems to assume that they automatically have to be enemies the very moment they see each other?

Who has the Galactic Empire been friends with? They're very much set on conquest and expansion which tends to undermine alliance attempts. The only thing they've ever really been aligned with are in terms of Hutts, bounty hunters and other criminals gaining favorable status with key politicians.

Of course, this is largely a by-product of the storytelling conventions used in Star Wars as opposed to that of Star Trek. Even the Romulans were able to swallow their pride and cooperate with the Federation and even Klingons when it mattered.

[Mike DiCenso]

Since you've choosen to have the 22nd century TE fight the GE, it will go very badly for the TE since they are nowhere near technologically advanced enough to counter the larger and much greater number of ships, and somewhat higher tech level of the GE.

Although that is true, the TE would not necessarily be immediately aware of that, and may feel to be in a position to be able to match the GE technologically before the actual initiation of hostilities.

Therefore, there is practically little difference in outcome regarding this verses battle, just from substituting the Terran Empire for the United Federation of Planets. The only thing dictacting the outcome is whether or not you would believe the Star Trek space fairing forces to be superior to those from Star Wars or vice-versa.

The TE in a first-contact scenario might show a lot of bluster, but once their starships generally get trashed, and territory is quickly lost, they'll change their tune soon enough. For the later 23rd century TE, the Constitution class starships have good enough firepower to level the playing field, and the TE has enough territory and industrial capability to act as a buffer against an aggressive GE, which in turn can lead to other options down the road, such as negotiating some kind of truce and or alliance. In the case of the TE, they win a powerful ally against the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, and the GE gains a like-minded ally to help them put down the growing Rebel Alliance.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

But more importantly why is it that everybody seems to assume that they automatically have to be enemies the very moment they see each other?

Who has the Galactic Empire been friends with?

In the strict canon of the movies-only, they had no one to be allies with. In the EU, things are a bit different, especially the Yuuzhan Vong show up, and they team up with the New Republic to repel the extra-galactic threat by forming the Galactic Alliance.
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

But more importantly why is it that everybody seems to assume that they automatically have to be enemies the very moment they see each other?

Who has the Galactic Empire been friends with?

In the strict canon of the movies-only, they had no one to be allies with. In the EU, things are a bit different, especially the Yuuzhan Vong show up, and they team up with the New Republic to repel the extra-galactic threat by foming the Galactic Alliance.
-Mike

By that time off course is actually the imperial remnant and not the actual Empire. Being a much weakened power than they were they needed allies but even the Empire at it's height would have not dissed potential allies should it have found them Palpatine was many things but dissing Golden opportunities is not something he was not known for...

[ILikeDeathNote]

Actually, yes, what PunkMaister said. When the Galactic Empire was still one of the prominent galactic military forces, they had little reason to ally with anyone. Their naturally antagonistic/isolationist attitude suggests a default confrontational stance with any new power encountered.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Why is my background so important all of a sudden? What is it's relevance when it comes to this particular thread? Seriously!

Sorry. Someone's just having questions about you.
Just giving my 2c.

[Mike DiCenso]

In the EU it was established that Palpatine was doing what he was because he foresaw the Vong threat, so I would imagine that making allies who share the same values would be to the Empire's advantage.
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

In the EU it was established that Palpatine was doing what he was because he foresaw the Vong threat, so I would imagine that making allies who share the same values would be to the Empire's advantage.
-Mike

Precisely my point...

[ILikeDeathNote]

In the EU it was established that Palpatine was doing what he was because he foresaw the Vong threat, so I would imagine that making allies who share the same values would be to the Empire's advantage.
-Mike

This may be controversial, but I feel that I am free to reject that assertion, based not only on canon evidence but conflicting EU evidence as well.

My contention mostly concerns Darth Plageius and Palpatine's fairly obvious lust for power and wickedness. The EU material surrounding Plageius strongly suggests he was highly motivated regarding immortality, and that Palpatine was likewise solely motivated.

[PunkMaister]

In the EU it was established that Palpatine was doing what he was because he foresaw the Vong threat, so I would imagine that making allies who share the same values would be to the Empire's advantage.
-Mike

This may be controversial, but I feel that I am free to reject that assertion, based not only on canon evidence but conflicting EU evidence as well.

My contention mostly concerns Darth Plageius and Palpatine's fairly obvious lust for power and wickedness. The EU material surrounding Plageius strongly suggests he was highly motivated regarding immortality, and that Palpatine was likewise solely motivated.

Yes they were but it does not preclude the possibility that Palpatine foresaw the Vong threat either and as vile and egotistical as he was he would have made sure to be prepared to face such a threat.