"Our most powerful proton bombs."

[l33telboi]

So I've been reading the comics that are related to the Clone Wars series on TV right now. Interesting stuff. Here's something from the latest issue I've read:

[Who is like God arbour]

Ah l33telboi, you see it totaly wrong.

They haven't used the most powerful proton bombs there is but only the most powerful proton bombs, that can be carried by their small fighter.

A proton bomb, that can be carried by a capital ship would be more powerful.



And the explosions, you are seeing, are not small explosions. You have to consider the perspective. The targeted building in the background is a really huge building, many kilometres big and many kilometres away from the foreground. That's why the explosions seem to be so small.

And don't forget, that the building is constructed with permacrete. That material is very strong and heat resistant.

And surly the building is equipped with shields. Those are dampening the gigaton explosions.

Insofar, your comic side is not conclusive. ;-)

[l33telboi]

I'm totally aware of the difference between fighter and capitalship grade weaponry and indeed I didn't try to imply this was the strongest proton bombs, period. And I did notice the issue with perspective, indeed those explosions are rather large when considering the size of a Munificient-class Frigate. The problem here is that according to some, fighters can carry giga- to teraton weaponry. So what would that mean when it comes to bombers and bombs?

And the facility was not mentioned to be shielded in any way.

[Praeothmin]

l33telboi, I'm pretty sure WILGA was in sarcastic *Warsie* mode, and not at all serious... ;)

[Mr. Oragahn]

Ah l33telboi, you see it totaly wrong.

They haven't used the most powerful proton bombs there is but only the most powerful proton bombs, that can be carried by their small fighter.

A proton bomb, that can be carried by a capital ship would be more powerful.



And the explosions, you are seeing, are not small explosions. You have to consider the perspective. The targeted building in the background is a really huge building, many kilometres big and many kilometres away from the foreground. That's why the explosions seem to be so small.

And don't forget, that the building is constructed with permacrete. That material is very strong and heat resistant.

And surly the building is equipped with shields. Those are dampening the gigaton explosions.

Insofar, your comic side is not conclusive. ;-)

You forgot to mention the use of Y-wing-class Star Dreadnought dropping 80 meters wide snow balls.

Frankly... I know ICS pisses people off, and any excuse is good to get a bite at it, but that stuff is true shite. Even my pet could draw better.

[Who is like God arbour]

I have had send this morning a PM to l33telboi:

• • I'm not sure, if you have noticed, that I merely wanted to be sarcastical.
    
    The ;-) should have make it clear.
    
    I agree, that Star Wars weapons are weak and that, what the AotC ICS is saying, is b u l l s h i t.
    
    And I agree, that this side demonstrates it again.
    
    I merely wanted to anticipate the absurd arguments, some Star Wars Fans would bring up to show, that this shows nothing.
    
    
    
    And concerning the perspective: We know the size of the bombers. And we can see, that they simply let their bombs drop on the facility. Ergo: the bombers are above the facility and we know now, that it is not a huge building far away, that is constructing Munificient-class Frigates, but a relativ small building, constructing Fighters similar in size to the bombers.

I hope that clarifies my intention.

[Mike DiCenso]

A point here; it is also taking multiple bombs to create even the damage and explosions that we see there, which while impressive compared to many forms of our modern-day conventional explosives, it is still rather puny compared to what Warsies claim we should be seeing.

Another point; given the quotes from the ANH novelization about ship systems setting off larger explosions, we should also consider that the systems and power plants of the shipyard here are being damaged and are contributing to the explosions as well.
-Mike

[ILikeDeathNote]

You forgot to mention the use of Y-wing-class Star Dreadnought dropping 80 meters wide snow balls.

Remember, visual evidence supersedes everything else! :)

[Mr. Oragahn]

A point here; it is also taking multiple bombs to create even the damage and explosions that we see there, which while impressive compared to many forms of our modern-day conventional explosives, it is still rather puny compared to what Warsies claim we should be seeing.

Another point; given the quotes from the ANH novelization about ship systems setting off larger explosions, we should also consider that the systems and power plants of the shipyard here are being damaged and are contributing to the explosions as well.
-Mike

Not much here. Many bombs hit the rock cliff or the inert stacked Munificents' upper hulls.

[Mike DiCenso]

Actually, if you look carefully, there are shipyard structures outside and to the left of the panel where it looks like the Y-wings are dropping bombs on the outside of the canyon. So it is hard to say there. The inert hulls are surround by scaffolding-like structures and other construction equipment, so any of that could contributing to the explosions as well.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Actually, if you look carefully, there are shipyard structures outside and to the left of the panel where it looks like the Y-wings are dropping bombs on the outside of the canyon. So it is hard to say there. The inert hulls are surround by scaffolding-like structures and other construction equipment, so any of that could contributing to the explosions as well.
-Mike

Not much, since globally, no matter where they strike, they make very similar explosions.

The art is too crappy to be useful to get a reliable figure, but as far as an overall impression is concerned, we're obviously nowhere near the middle range of kiloton warheads. I'd even hold reserves about low KT.

[ILikeDeathNote]

Actually, if you look carefully, there are shipyard structures outside and to the left of the panel where it looks like the Y-wings are dropping bombs on the outside of the canyon. So it is hard to say there.

Wouldn't that only further exaggerate the size problem of the Y-Wings? If they were bombing in front of the shipyard (from the perspective of the view in the scene) then the bombs would be falling in front of the shipyard, according to the same perspective, as well. If the Y-Wings are dropping on the far side of the canyon (the only possible way they could be bombing "outside the canyon" according to this perspective shot, then those Y-Wings would at least be about the size of an ISD.

The perspective dictates that the absolute closest the Y-Wings can be would be directly on top of the shipyard (otherwise, once again, the bombs would be falling in front of the shipyard rather than directly on top of or behind, which is implied by the scene) and even then, as was pointed out, the Y-Wings would at least be the size of decent frigates themselves.

Obviously, we are forced to chalk it up to incredibly lazy artwork done by someone who obviously just didn't give a damn and holds onto his job through the power of the Sith.

[l33telboi]

The problem with scale is rather obvious in the entire comic, actually. Those shipyards you see there for instance, our heroes are climbing up on them, running around on them, and even just looking at them from time to time. And in almost every single shot they look waaay too small. The only time they managed to get it right was when they started loading slaves onto the vessels, at that moment they looked large.

The comic is also somewhat strange when it comes to ship numbers and construction. What you see in that scene is one of the CIS’s primary shipyards. And when they lost it and the workers, it tipped the scales from “The CIS is going to win soon unless we do something against their overwhelming numbers” to “Alright, we’re roughly equal again.”

[Mr. Oragahn]

The problem with scale is rather obvious in the entire comic, actually. Those shipyards you see there for instance, our heroes are climbing up on them, running around on them, and even just looking at them from time to time. And in almost every single shot they look waaay too small. The only time they managed to get it right was when they started loading slaves onto the vessels, at that moment they looked large.

The comic is also somewhat strange when it comes to ship numbers and construction. What you see in that scene is one of the CIS’s primary shipyards. And when they lost it and the workers, it tipped the scales from “The CIS is going to win soon unless we do something against their overwhelming numbers” to “Alright, we’re roughly equal again.”

Which would tend to dispute the idea that the Republic would rely on thousands of shipyards, some of them being entire planets turned into industrial worlds.

[Mike DiCenso]

Well, the artwork aside, it is clear here that Gwori isn't covered very much outside the equatorial canyon system by CIS infrastructure, combined by the fact that this was stated in the comic to be one of the most important of shipyards tends to readily dispute the idea that there are thousands of shipyards and entire planets covered ala Coruscant, which has been in turn stated in higher canon sources as being unique among planets in the Republic. So if this represents the best in shipyards that either the CIS or Republic can create, then it does put a limit on the shipbuilding capacity of the Galactic Empire.
-Mike