Voyager versus the Evil Time Lords

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:27 pm

During the events of Future's End, the temporal manipulations going on in that episode cause a rift in the space-time continuum that automatically draws in a quintet of TARDISes, which materialise onboard the USS Voyager some short time after the end of the episode.

The following evil Time Lords disembark from their TARDISes;

The Master (John Simm form)

The Rani

The Valeyard

Omega

Rassilon

So does the Voyager survive the sudden influx of superintelligent villains, or does it fail?

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:03 am

Maybe a tad less of baiting threads would help...

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:20 am

Perhaps it might interest you to note that none of the above Time Lords can actually get along, and haven't even got the remotest chance of actually working with one-another.

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:51 am

I wonder... What would happen if a phaser beam set to 'vaporize' hits one of them.

Could they still regenerate?

That said, I'm kind of amused that you're still on about <Random UBAH SF power> vs ST. Are you that scared of federation tech?

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:59 am

Anyone who knows the actual material would realise that Voyager would survive because those five Time Lords, particularly Omega and Rassilon, would just as soon be at each other's throats. And neither Rassilon nor Omega are actually evil; this is a trick question. :P

If I wanted to beat Trek easily, anything upwards of the Asgard or the Honorverse would cause a rather significant dent in the Federation enough to cause a total collapse; low-powered stuff in the Whoniverse is enough to deal a crippling blow. Trek is on the low scale of science fiction. Hell, the Galactic Empire, even when given the entire EU resources and the ICS, is on the low scale of science fiction.

GStone · Post by **GStone** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:28 pm

Roondar wrote:I wonder... What would happen if a phaser beam set to 'vaporize' hits one of them.

Could they still regenerate?

That said, I'm kind of amused that you're still on about <Random UBAH SF power> vs ST. Are you that scared of federation tech?

If we're talking complete molecular disassociation, I'm not aware of any instance of them regenerating from that much damage. Vaporizing in a given cross section is so fast, the strongest memory I have of a timelord regenerating (when the latest Doctor regrew his hand because of the sword fight) wouldn't be able to keep up. If it's partial, like say a transporter that beams away an arm, they should be able to regrow it.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:04 pm

However, I do doubt that phasers would work on either Rassilon (who may be immortal in the same way that Captain Jack Harkness is) or Omega (who lacks a physical form to begin with).

GStone · Post by **GStone** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:40 pm

It would depend on what type of energy he was. Ronin was an energy being, but was unstable, which is why he needed a living person to bond with every so often (including his candle), so he could become solid. He was killed by a phaser.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:23 pm

He generally exists as a noncorporeal form inhabiting an empty suit of armour; existing in a purely psionic state.

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:55 pm

Narsil wrote:However, I do doubt that phasers would work on either Rassilon (who may be immortal in the same way that Captain Jack Harkness is) or Omega (who lacks a physical form to begin with).

Quite nice indeed...

Hmm, what about an old fashioned forcefield (or failing that, an emergency bulkhead)?

I'm assuming at least some of them do not have sonic screwdrivers ;)

(To keep them from reaching the TARDIS and whatever else naturally)

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:41 pm

Well, the Doctor's skill with his TARDIS was vastly inferior. Rassilon and Omega, at least, should know every single trick a TARDIS can possibly do, and thus probably remote-control them. (Which is not, necessarily, out of the question; several Time Lords have displayed the ability to remotely call their TARDISes, just not the Doctor.)

The Rani, specifically, can canonically do so; and both Rassilon and Omega were instrumental to TARDISes being invented in the first place.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:43 pm

Mild addition; the Valeyard is possibly the wildcard of this scenario, he is carrying a sonic screwdriver. In fact, his TARDIS also looks exactly like a police box, and also has the exact same problem with the Chameleon Circuit that makes it damn near impossible for it to look like anything else. In fact, the only thing separating him from the Doctor is the regeneration number; he is, essentially, an offshoot of the Doctor's own psyche in a method similar to the evilKirk/goodKirk episode.

The Master also has a laser screwdriver, which can be used to the same effect as a sonic screwdriver. Plus shooting people. Which is fun.

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:51 am

Narsil wrote:Mild addition; the Valeyard is possibly the wildcard of this scenario, he is carrying a sonic screwdriver. In fact, his TARDIS also looks exactly like a police box, and also has the exact same problem with the Chameleon Circuit that makes it damn near impossible for it to look like anything else. In fact, the only thing separating him from the Doctor is the regeneration number; he is, essentially, an offshoot of the Doctor's own psyche in a method similar to the evilKirk/goodKirk episode.

The Master also has a laser screwdriver, which can be used to the same effect as a sonic screwdriver. Plus shooting people. Which is fun.

Somehow I do doubt his shots would get through a forcefield tho ;)

Anyhoo, I suppose the best thing to do is to try and limit the damage they do. I'm sure that it's possible to contain their movements to a great degree. ST:TNG established that forcefields can be made to very small sizes (basically trapping someone in place). While that won't work for the TARDIS summoning people, we've also seen that the Doctor's TARDIS at least can't just push stuff out of the way, nor have it's doors open when surrounded by walls.

Voyagers crew technically could just block the exit of the TARDISes wherever they materialize should they desire. Assuming other TARDISes exits work in the same way as the Doctor's naturally ;)

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:03 pm

Some TARDISes do have transmats (like transporters that can punch through TARDIS style shields) and all except the Doctor's TARDIS has the ability to rearrange its outside form and sometimes even function. It also doesn't need to push things out of the way; it causes whatever's inside the materialisation area to simply end up inside the TARDIS, and I doubt a forcefield can last when it's no longer connected to (or even in the same dimension as) a transmitter.

And a sonic screwdriver can, being a sonic screwdriver, merely deactivate a shield in its typical 'hack the system' manner. The laser screwdriver is just about the same thing.

Roondar · Post by **Roondar** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:30 pm

Narsil wrote:Some TARDISes do have transmats (like transporters that can punch through TARDIS style shields) and all except the Doctor's TARDIS has the ability to rearrange its outside form and sometimes even function. It also doesn't need to push things out of the way; it causes whatever's inside the materialisation area to simply end up inside the TARDIS, and I doubt a forcefield can last when it's no longer connected to (or even in the same dimension as) a transmitter.

And a sonic screwdriver can, being a sonic screwdriver, merely deactivate a shield in its typical 'hack the system' manner. The laser screwdriver is just about the same thing.

On the other hand, the good Doctor's screwdriver only worked when he actually aimed it at the controls/emitters etc (note for instance that merely pointing it at a door is not enough, he has to aim it at the actual lock. same with computers, a random network cable is not good enough - he needs to aim it close to the actual point of origin or at least a terminal throughout the entire series). They'd have to be found first.

TBH I personally feel Dimplomacy and carefull playing each timelord vs the others might be the best option. Some of them (the master for instance) are quite transparant in their motives and might actually be phasered* if they keep up the whole 'will kill for fun' attitude, but I assume that for the rest the crew will probably attempt to reach a non-violent solution.

I'd figure the 'good' guys in the bunch would appreciate that style.

*) And if they come back for more, probably phasered some more :P

Edit:I think you misunderstood my forcefield suggestion. I'm not suggesting a forcefield smaller than the TARDIS in question, I'm suggesting the crew might opt to erect a forcefield around the TARDIS to keep it closed. Or they might just move it, nothing stopped mere humans in Dr. Who from getting rid of the TARDIS through physical movement before. It was even a major plotpoint in several episodes (help, our TARDIS is missing/hidden/stolen/secured from us)