Challenge: Invade the Star Wars galaxy

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Wait, so whatever happened to your assessment that the Death Star introduced no new technologies other than the superlaser? You're suddenly saying that they are using magic to move their ships, despite the fact that conventional starships use ion drives! What happened?

Magic? No. Gravity manipulation? Yes.

Besides, as I said, it doesn't have to be new technology. Just one that requires enormous vessel to be applied in the first place. Because we see that Empire doesn't use inertialess drives on capital ships, and even SIF is questionable, considering that ISDs get destroyed by asteroids.

Nope, you went back too far chronologically. I already addressed your subsequent claim; that the melting of durasteel at Mustafar somehow indicates that durasteel's heat capacity is no higher than structural steel.

Oh, but it does.

Melting temperature of normal steel: 1130 ° C (starts melting), completely melted at 1492 ° C

Temperature of lava: 700 to 1200 ° C

Except that mechanical strength has to be great, or all of the Empire's ships would turn to mush whenever they accelerated at the speeds they are observed to move at.

Except that we don't "observe" them to achieve at any great accelerations. What we do observe is low-kiloton asteroid smashing ISD's bridge, ISD's barely able to avoid collision - and completely unable to slow down to halt from relatively low velocity in several miles' distance, Millenium Falcon achieving acceleration of 210 m/s^2, as opposed to TMP acceleration of over 30 000 m/s^2.

Which has nothing to do with gravity. I might say that Mon Montha calls it the "largerst superlaser ever built", implying that they aren't new technology, by any means.

I don't remember that quote from movie or movie novel.

And "superlaser" is not a laser.

Too bad for you that the standard of evidence needed to break physics is not "not that far fetched".

They already do break physics. Hyperspace, "superlaser"...

No, it doesn't. I was referring to the stresses of the Death Star accelerating itself, not the 10 m/s^2 of standard Earth gravity.

And you seem to think that gravity manipulation would be free energy; if you remove gravitational potential energy, that energy must be converted into another form, in order to keep with CoE. So anti-grav technology must require significant amounts of energy in Star Wars.

So I guess that huge fusion reactor at Death Star's core is for nothing...

Which doesn't explain why this was your only response to the statement, rather than a nitpick, followed by an addressing of my actual argument.

I thought that "moon sized" was integral part of your argument. You word it correctly, then I'll reply to it.

Nothing in your own canon policy indicates this. Scaring systems into submission doesn't mean that they wished to reduce the size of the military. This is nothing more than vague speculation of your part, against hard, cold mathematics and physics.

Hard, cold... what? Or you don't know anything at all about military doctrines?

By an enormous margin. Comparing the Death Star to the entire starfleet, by your own math, gives the Empire the edge by at least nine orders of magnitude. Federation stardocks are immobile; they don't need to worry about the stresses of acceleration, and are therefore significantly easier to construct pound for pound.

According to your canon policy, Han Solo comforts Luke in RotJ by pointing out that the Executor isn't special, and that Vader is not necessarily in it; "there are plenty of command ships." Ergo, 11 kilometer long super star destroyers, FTL capable and built to commit to extreme acceleration feats (Battle of Endor), are commonly used as command ships in the Empire. Meanwhile, the Federation has never constructed mobile battleships larger than a few hundred meters in length.

And Empire never used anything more advanced than fusion reactor as power source.

Except that you don't understand the most basic physical principles, yet feel qualified to make calculations in opposition to a mechanical engineer and a PHD astrophysicist. You think that "gravity manipulation" magically solves acceleration stresses, and that it is no more difficult to build a mobile ship than it is to build an immobile space station. You then contradict yourself repeatedly, claiming first that the Death Star uses almost no new technology, but then changing your mind and suggesting that it does. Then, you dishonestly skip into the middle of a debate segment chronologically, to give the impression that you already addressed my complaint.

What mechanical engineer?

The same person who made Star Destroyer.net

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just out of curiosity, what is the great advantage of having 20 death stars surrounding coruscant? i mean, if you can actually manage to hit something with the slow-ass superlasers, the stupid things won't even be able to penetrate the federation ships' navigational shields.

So you're going to go down the "teh lazers stopped by navigational shields!!!!" path now?

aren't you worried about the possibility that you might have 20 planet-busting superlasers rebound off navigational shields and hit coruscant all at once?

No, but you should be worried about turbolasers ripping quite easily through navigational shields and vaporizing starships.

see how fucking irritating that is, when people bring up points that have been debunked time and again? you're a jackass.

Says the person who brings up one of the most repeatedly debunked points in the entire history of the debate, looked down upon even by the Trek side. The statement quite literally contains a plethora of logical fallacies to the point in which you could use it as an example in a Logic Class at school to try and figure out all of them out as a classroom discussion.

Of course, I am aware of the slight possibility that you are actually cleverly using sarcasm to try and support your point (which, too, contains a small plethora of fallacies, such as Appeal to Popularity and Tradition)...but I doubt it.

Actually the navigational deflectors have to stop all lasers by their very nature. It is well established that deflectors work using gravity which is a distortion of space and light no matter how energetic always follows that curve so the deflectors bend all lasers around them.

[Lucky]

Actually the navigational deflectors have to stop all lasers by their very nature. It is well established that deflectors work using gravity which is a distortion of space and light no matter how energetic always follows that curve so the deflectors bend all lasers around them.

StarWarsStarTrek is one of two people who have been permanently banded from this site.

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Actually the navigational deflectors have to stop all lasers by their very nature. It is well established that deflectors work using gravity which is a distortion of space and light no matter how energetic always follows that curve so the deflectors bend all lasers around them.

StarWarsStarTrek is one of two people who have been permanently banded from this site.

What for?

[Lucky]

What for?

I don't want to give an answer, and then be wrong. I'd suggest asking a moderator(called Security Officers, or in Jedi Master Spock's case Site Admin) for details in a PM. They'd be able to explain it better then I would.

Its rather hard to get permanently banned from this site, and it has only happened to two people, and one of those people was what most would call a rabid Trekkie.

[Mike DiCenso]

What for?

I don't want to give an answer, and then be wrong. I'd suggest asking a moderator(called Security Officers, or in Jedi Master Spock's case Site Admin) for details in a PM. They'd be able to explain it better then I would.

Its rather hard to get permanently banned from this site, and it has only happened to two people, and one of those people was what most would call a rabid Trekkie.

StarWarsStarTrek (SWST) was permabanned after about a year and half for having just basically ignored any evidence presented to him (her?) by virtually everyone on the board. That is one of our few big no-nos here is ignoring the arguments and evidence of another poster, the other being outright trolling and insults. SWST also continually kept presenting over and over again the same lame cut-and-past material from Stardestroyer.net and only ever rarely presented anything new, no matter how many times said material was debunked, which is a natural outcome of SWST's ignoring other people's arguments and evidence in the first place.

You can read more about this by looking up the relevant threads in the Technical Discussion forum.
-Mike