Warp Speeds List

[Lucky]

LAFORGE [OC]: There's nothing I can do. 


WORF: Approaching warp nine sir. 


PICARD: Red alert. 


RIKER: Estimated time to structural failure. 


DATA: At this rate of acceleration, fifteen minutes forty seconds, sir. 


RIKER: Did you copy that, Geordi? 


LAFORGE [OC]: Aye, Commander. 


RIKER: Recommendations.

Does this mean the warp factor is a rate of acceleration rather then a measurement of speed?

Would this explain the drastic range of speeds found?

[359]

LAFORGE [OC]: There's nothing I can do. 


WORF: Approaching warp nine sir. 


PICARD: Red alert. 


RIKER: Estimated time to structural failure. 


DATA: At this rate of acceleration, fifteen minutes forty seconds, sir. 


RIKER: Did you copy that, Geordi? 


LAFORGE [OC]: Aye, Commander. 


RIKER: Recommendations.

Does this mean the warp factor is a rate of acceleration rather then a measurement of speed?

Would this explain the drastic range of speeds found?

A little context added to the quote shows that warp is a constant speed, and that they are just increasing warp factors as this is being stated. This is because the matter/antimatter injectors have frozen into the open position, although why that would cause extreme acceleration rather than a sustained high speed is something of a mystery.

Data: "Speed increasing, sir. Warp seven point six, seven point six five. Warp seven point seven."
LaForge: "We can't shut it down, Captain. Antimatter flow is increasing. She's accelerating out of control."
LaForge: "There's nothing I can do."
Worf: "Approaching warp nine sir."
...etc...

This comes right before the above quote, showing that the warp factor is increasing as well as the speed.

[359]

DS9: "Paradise Lost":

Odo: "The Defiant is on its way to Earth."
Sisko: "That must mean they found what we were looking for."
Odo: "It was just as you suspected. They even found the officer responsible. Lieutenant Arriaga. They've put him on the Defiant."
Sisko: "You have to get to the President. Tell him everything we know and warn him that Leyton is going to make his move some time today."
Odo: "What about you?"
Sisko: "I've got some business to take care of."
Odo: "Right."

Benteen: "I understand the situation, Admiral. I'll do my best."
Leyton: "Good luck, Captain Benteen. Leyton out."
Leyton: "Are you planning on using that?"
Sisko: "Against a fellow officer? I hope not. But I will have to ask for your resignation."
...
Leyton: "That's a very interesting theory, but it's not going to do you much good. Lieutenant Arriaga isn't going to get to Earth. I've sent the Lakota to intercept the Defiant."
Sisko: "You think that one Starfleet ship is going to fire on another?"
Leyton: "As far as Captain Benteen's crew is concerned, the Defiant isn't a Starfleet ship. They've been told everyone on the Defiant has been replaced by shape-shifters."

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The time since Odo informs Sisko of the Defiant's departure for Earth to the time it meets the Lakota could not be more than a day as we are told that Leyton will make his move later that day and by the time Sisko arrives to confront Leyton, he still has not made his move. Sisko also couldn't have been incarcerated for a long duration in which Odo could have informed DS9 to send the Defiant because we are told earlier that the day Leyton will act is only several days away, and Sisko isn't captured until what is probably the next day.

Odo: "They all take effect on the fourteenth."
Sisko: "The day before the President's speech."
Odo: "Do you think there's any connection?"
Sisko: "Maybe Admiral Leyton doesn't intend for the President to make his speech. I'd better get a copy of this."
...
Benteen: "Thanks, but it's still a few days away. The Lakota won't be done with its refit until the fourteenth."
Sisko: "I guess that'll make the fourteenth a special day."

So after one to two days the Defiant meets the Lakota en route to Earth. Assuming similar travel speeds they would have probably meet about 3/4 (at least) the way from DS9 to Earth since the Lakota left some time after the Defiant.

Given that Bajor is a relatively recent addition, it is on the outer reaches of the Federation. This is reinforced by the map, which shows Bajor as being just outside the Federation, about 3/5 of the federation's width from Sol. Both of these reasons suggest a travel distance from DS9 to Earth of about 4,000 ly (half the Federation's stated width).

This is a distance of roughly 3,000 ly traversed by the Defiant in somewhere between one and two days for a speed of 1,095,690c to 547,845c.

Warp: Unknown, maximum likely; Time: 1 to 2 days; Distance: 3,000 ly

[Praeothmin]

Given that Bajor is a relatively recent addition, it is on the outer reaches of the Federation. This is reinforced by the map, which shows Bajor as being just outside the Federation, about 3/5 of the federation's width from Sol. Both of these reasons suggest a travel distance from DS9 to Earth of about 4,000 ly (half the Federation's stated width).

Actually, Bajor's distance from Earth has only been mentioned one time in DS9, in "the Visitor", and placed Bajor at a minimum of 200 LY away from Earth...

"Therefore he appeared somewhere near you, even if you were hundreds of light years away from the place the accident happened."

The Star Trek Online map shows Bajor's distance from Earth is roughly equivalent to the distance between DS9 to K-7 mentioned in "Trials and Tribble-ations", also close to 200 LY...

"The distance to our previous location [near Cardassia] is almost 200 ly [...] We're orbiting K-7, one of the old deep space stations near the Klingon border."

So 3/4 of this distance would be at a minimum 150 LY, for speeds of 54 750c if in one day, or 27 375c for two days...
Keep in mind this is for a warship, not even close to being the fastest ship in the fleet...

Incidentally, the ST Online map puts the Romulan border roughly 3/4 of the Earth-Bajor distance from Earth, or 150 LY...
So that means that one of the fastest ships in the fleet, the E-E, in First Contact, traveled 150 LY in less than an hour, for minimum speeds of 1 314 000c... :)
Travel time unknown, but highly unlikely to be more then 1 hour, considering the rate at which Starfleet was losing vessels in the battle...

[359]

Given that Bajor is a relatively recent addition, it is on the outer reaches of the Federation. This is reinforced by the map, which shows Bajor as being just outside the Federation, about 3/5 of the federation's width from Sol. Both of these reasons suggest a travel distance from DS9 to Earth of about 4,000 ly (half the Federation's stated width).

Actually, Bajor's distance from Earth has only been mentioned one time in DS9, in "the Visitor", and placed Bajor at a minimum of 200 LY away from Earth...

"Therefore he appeared somewhere near you, even if you were hundreds of light years away from the place the accident happened."

The Star Trek Online map shows Bajor's distance from Earth is roughly equivalent to the distance between DS9 to K-7 mentioned in "Trials and Tribble-ations", also close to 200 LY...

"The distance to our previous location [near Cardassia] is almost 200 ly [...] We're orbiting K-7, one of the old deep space stations near the Klingon border."

So 3/4 of this distance would be at a minimum 150 LY, for speeds of 54 750c if in one day, or 27 375c for two days...

My understanding, reinforced by further research, was that Star Trek Online is non-cannon. So what its map says is irrelevant.

However the quote from DS9: "The Visitor" does suggest, but not require, that Bajor is somewhat closer than 4,000 ly from Earth. Given teh evidance in either direction, I would still say Earth is still some 4,000 ly distant, but definitely over 1,000 ly.

Keep in mind this is for a warship, not even close to being the fastest ship in the fleet...

No, it is not the fastest, but it is not all that slow either. If I remember correctly, they reached warp 9.5 in one episode, so it can almost keep up with a Galaxy-class starship.

[Lucky]

My understanding, reinforced by further research, was that Star Trek Online is non-cannon. So what its map says is irrelevant.

However the quote from DS9: "The Visitor" does suggest, but not require, that Bajor is somewhat closer than 4,000 ly from Earth. Given teh evidance in either direction, I would still say Earth is still some 4,000 ly distant, but definitely over 1,000 ly.

This might be useful: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_star_charts

[2046]

Chakotay's home planet near Cardassian space is said to be thousands of light-years from Earth in the Jeri Taylor canon novels. It would be strange to have Deep Space Nine only be 200 light-years away in that case.

[Praeothmin]

I thought only parts of her Novel was considered Canon?
But hey, if you want to interpret "hundreds" of LY mentioned in DS9's highest Canon, to mean "thousands", then Endor and Sullust being only "hundreds" of LY apart in the RotJ novel could then mean that the SW Galaxy is 120 000LY in size, and that these planets are indeed thousands of LY apart...
See, it goes both ways... :)

[359]

I thought only parts of her Novel was considered Canon?
But hey, if you want to interpret "hundreds" of LY mentioned in DS9's highest Canon, to mean "thousands", then Endor and Sullust being only "hundreds" of LY apart in the RotJ novel could then mean that the SW Galaxy is 120 000LY in size, and that these planets are indeed thousands of LY apart...
See, it goes both ways... :)

There is a difference, in this situation. The distance from DS9 to Earth has several pieces of conflicting canon information. Some that indicate ~4,000 light-years and one for several hundred light years. You are correct that neither statement absolutely requires the distance to be less than thousands of light years, they just heavily suggest it. But in the Sullust-Endor distance there is noting to contradict it, where as in the DS9-Earth distance there is information that indicates quite firmly to the contrary.

At least in my opinion, there is sufficiant evidence for thousands of light years distance to create the need to disregard the suggestion of a less than 1000 ly trip in order to reconcile that single quote with the rest of the canon. Or, if one does not like the idea of reconciling data points, much like myself, then view it as moving in favor of the point of view with greater evidance and ignoring the rest as it is now irrelevant, until more data comes along.

[Lucky]

Chakotay's home planet near Cardassian space is said to be thousands of light-years from Earth in the Jeri Taylor canon novels. It would be strange to have Deep Space Nine only be 200 light-years away in that case.

Are you sure the books are canon, or did they simply inspire things that are canon?

[2046]

http://www.canonwars.com/STCanon.html#III-C

http://canonwars.com/STCanon.html#III-D-5

http://canonwars.com/STCanon.html#V-B-1

I am not aware of any new information, so the novels are canon. If there were specific elements contradicted then those elements would have to go, but I don't recall any off the top of my head.

[Praeothmin]

Well, this passage:

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters.

From your Canon wars article (interesting read, as ever), to me seem more to indicate that the events that are background information are Canon, not the novels themselves...

And we have two references from the live DS9 show that match the Star Trek online Map...
The 200LY distance from DS9 to K7, which, on the ST online map, is of similar distance to Earth - Bajor...
Plus the 150LY Romulan border when in ENT they encountered Romulans 130 LY from Earth does indeed heavily infer the map is valid (if not Canon)...
Since these quotes come from the show and match events derived directly from the show, I tend to believe them more...

The distance from DS9 to Earth has several pieces of conflicting canon information. Some that indicate ~4,000 light-years and one for several hundred light years.

Again, read my statements above...
I'm not sure the entire books are Canon, and more than one element matches what is said onscreen to the Map...

But in the Sullust-Endor distance there is noting to contradict it, where as in the DS9-Earth distance there is information that indicates quite firmly to the contrary.

Well, lower Canon does...
Look, as far as the Sullust-Endor thing is concerned, I believe in the shorter distance, I don't believe in a 120 000 LY SW Galaxy, but I don't believe in the Jeri Taylor novel distances...
And even if the distance for Chacotay's home planet was correct, who says his homeplanet is on the border closest to Earth, and not the one on the lower left portion of the map?

[2046]

Well, this passage:

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters.

From your Canon wars article (interesting read, as ever), to me seem more to indicate that the events that are background information are Canon, not the novels themselves...

That always struck me as a mere description of the books in context. If it weren't for that sentence you would have to google to try to figure out why they were exceptions insofar as what makes them interesting or notable. Instead, you have it.

If they were trying to suggest what you want, the books would not be exceptions... just those relevant parts. The text would then read: "There are some exceptions to this rule. Voyager character background details as related in Taylor's novels and Spock's background as shown in Yesteryear." Note how they did not say "Yesteryear" was canon, just the details:

There are a couple of exceptions to this rule: the Jeri Taylor penned novels "Mosaic" and "Pathways." Many of the events in these two novels feature background details of the main Star Trek: Voyager characters. (Note: There are a few details from an episode of the Animated Adventures that have entered into the Star Trek canon. The episode "Yesteryear," written by D.C. Fontana, features some biographical background on Spock.)

This makes it clear that they know how to distinguish between part and entirety.

[Praeothmin]

Indeed!

[2046]

Also, not to seem rude, but given my interest is limited to canon, I don't give a crap about the STO map. To my way of thinking it has no place in the discussion.