StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Mr. Oragahn wrote:Check
this.
With something like just above a thousand Sectors, the ISB would give something between 300,000,000 and 1,600,000,000 troops in total, when referring to the Army.
Blantant canon statements quantifying trillions of army troops vs Guesstimates based on RPG stats (and the ridiculous assumption that the entire ground army belongs to sector fleets). Well...
Until you provide the evidence of trillions, I don't see anything beyond facts from the book. Oh yes, my god, I made a calculation. Yet all the numbers are there. Number of sectors and troop count per sector. The math, geez, it hurtz me berain.
Straight to the Sector Army, we get 774,576 Army troopers, even those found in the fleet, plus 1,180,309 personnel in total.
Only an absolute retard would think this to be the entire army, so what's your point?
The absolute retard only copies what he read in the official book. It IS the entire army of a sector.
It's not complicated. Globally there's the Navy, with its own troopers, then there's the Army, with troopers transported by some of their own ships but also a lot by the Navy, and there's the stormtroopers, working with both, but contrary to the former two, having no listed support personnel.
Nevertheless, that still goes for something like many millions stormtroopers : 5000 of them per division over 24000 ISDs would mean 120 M men in white armour.
We could easily reach a billion or two under certain circumstances.
So because the sector ISD's typically hold a total of millions of stormtroopers, you set this as any type of limit for the actual stormtrooper corps size, rather than as a lower extreme?
Where did I say it was any kind of limit? It's just an estimation base on safe numbers. no more, no less.
There could be more, but I don't know of any information yet to complement this initial guess.
What about the various stormtroopers stationed on various worlds? What about those contained within transport ships and space stations? What about the canonical "trillions" of army troopers and naval crew?
The book says that stormtroopers are used for attack or defending important worlds. When some imperial presence is needed for prolonged times outside of complicated worlds, the Army does the job.
And even "a billion or two" is far larger than any estimation of the Federation "army" size ever approaches.
Possible, I don't know. Let's not forget logistics though.
Now, I got to find some bits of info from wookieepedia, which may not be hard to pin down and find in the appropriate sources:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper
At first, the Stormtrooper Corps was composed almost entirely of clone soldiers based on the Fett template.[2] That included the remaining clones that were engineered on Kamino, supplemented by the millions of clones created on Coruscant and Centax-2 through Spaarti technology,[3] and three new stormtrooper clone batches grown in the Outer Rim Territories. During this time, traces of the clones' obsolete armor remained in the design of their new and improved armor. However, the stormtrooper ranks would cease to be dominated by Fett's progeny after the Battle of Kamino in 12 BBY.[2]
Considering that we proved the Kamino hatcheries only produced millions or so clones, and that they had been attacked and likely saw their efficiency reduced, I don't think we could suddenly find some missing
billions produce on Kamino.
Some millions of clones for the stormtrooper corps were produced on Coruscant, with spaarti cloning tech.
Sources are:
[2] ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 Star Wars: Battlefront II
[3] ↑ Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel
By the time the Galactic Civil War began in earnest, Jango Fett's clones were heavily supplanted by clones based on a variety of templates around 9 BBY,[2] followed shortly after by enlisted Humans.[6] Thus, the Fett clones were ironically reduced to a minority status after years of virtually filling the stormtrooper ranks in its entirety. According to a stormtrooper's entry log in the 501st Journal, none of the Fett clones were ever truly able to come to terms with serving alongside recruits and different clones, all of whom were disdainfully dubbed as the "new guys."[2] Commander Cody, a first generation clone of Jango Fett and a veteran of the Clone Wars, found stormtrooper recruits to be absolutely intolerable. Due to the significant decrease in the Imperial Military's operational effectiveness and his own feelings of nostalgia over the Republic's "army of one man," Cody viewed enlisted troopers as incompetent idiots, all of whom he would have gladly sacrificed for just one real clone trooper.[6]
[2] again
[6] ↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II
Despite the influx of new troopers from various sources, the ranks remained dominated by Human males, thus reflecting the New Order's Human High Culture. By 0 BBY, roughly one-third of the stormtroopers were clones based on the Fett template, while recruits steadily became the majority within the Stormtrooper Corps.[7] Service in the Stormtrooper Corps was open to both Human men and women, but female stormtroopers were an extremely rare sight under Palpatine's reign.[8] In spite of this disparity, some female troopers served in elite units, such as the Coruscant Guard.[9]
[7] ↑ Star Wars Insider 96
[8] ↑ Galaxy at War, page 95
[9] ↑ Roleplaying Game Revised Core Rulebook, page 271
Those diminishing numbers of Fett clones, merely millions from the beginning, comprised about a third of the total of stormtroopers in the whole STC.
You know, even if you stretch the millions of Fett clones to just below the billion mark, you still only get 3 billions in total.
But didn't the Old Republic almost got crippled by some extra 5 million clonetroopers, eh?
Guess that my unmarked figure, which you had me claim being an upper end, and then which you presented as an extreme low end... turns out to be an extreme upper end, after all.
:)
