Challenge: Invade the Star Wars galaxy

[Picard]

Could you please explain?

They were prepared to let possibility of Cardassians smuggling weapons into DMZ and preparing invasion go without investigation.

[KSW]

Imagine that you're the president of the Federation. Your goal is to invade the Star Wars galaxy as of the Galactic Alliance. Why? Because you want our stuff. I'll play the role of the Chief of State...uh, let's just say Leia, in an AU. So anyway, for some magic reason (read: Q, or the Force, or both), the SW galaxy "far far away" is put just 100,000 light years away from the Milky Way next to the Alpha Quadrant. All barriers to both warp and hyperdrive are removed.

Goal: Conquer the Star Wars galaxy. Like, conquer it and put it completely under your control. And do it within your lifetime. Somehow, you are granted president for life.

Time to prepare: 6 months both ways.

Rules and Restrictions (you may not like these, but this is to keep things fair and restrict derailing topics. If you feel that any of these are too unfair, please PM me.):

We follow Chase's canon policy
Star Trek EU is non-canon, as are the tech books
You will not use any Treknologies of the week and vice versa. No Genesis devices, no phase-cloak, etc.
You will consider the time limit of 6 months in your preparations.
You cannot convince the other factions to join you, but to be fair they will magically be peaceful and docile in your invasions.
Visuals > dialogue, unless if it is a clear glitch or error.
The SW galaxy is 50,000 LY long, a nice compromise.

The purpose of this thread is to get you guys to explain how your side actually goes on the offensive with its slower FTL drive and inferior industrial reserves.

First your whole premise is off, since the UFP is an organization of peace, that only uses force when absolutely necessary as a defense. So if we're gonna do this, your side has to start it by invading ours galaxy, and so we're just ending the war as a mercy-mission-- esp. when a simple ion-burst cripples your ISD's.

"Inferior industrial reserves?" Sure, that's why even shuttles have replicators, while Luke has to eat nasty flight-rations on Dagobah. Don't think so!

As for "slower FTL drive," that's subject to debate. Some starships are faster than hyperdrive on their own.
Also you have to quantify how yours works; once our ships captured a single galactic atlas, they'd be much faster if it's conduit-based; meanwhile if it's ship-based, then reverse-engineering is the basis of all warfare, i.e. there are no "patents" when it comes to adapting captured enemy technology.

Furthermore, the phase-cloak is not a "technology of the week," since we've seen phase-shift technology in both "The Pegasus" and "The Next Phase." Only treaty prevents their use, so it's fair game.
The Genesis Device is also not a one-shot deal, since it's been the subject of two movies.

Finally, I'd suspend the Temporal Prime Directive, i.e. we can time-travel at will to have perfect intelligence.

[Admiral Breetai]

He was. But had Federation kicked Cardassians real hard, war would have been over soon. Maybe there wouldn't be a Dominion War, even.

no the Dominion war would have happened regardless with a Cardassian population far less likely to eventually rebel, considering a mere border war with the UFP was collapsing their economy and causing wide spread homelessness and starvation all across their entire damn empire..total war with the UFP would have left them utterly ruined a complete collapse of their civilization and given their racial pride the Feddies 'good will" aid in rebuilding their ravaged worlds after is gonna cause wide spread resentment..

i mean Cardassians are some of the most butthurt aliens in Sci Fi and they'd be even worse in your scenario- essentially the eventual Dominion conflict might last long enough for the feds to consider wide spread use of WMD's and you'd be looking at a very different galaxy.

The Cardasians were just an annoyance to the UFP, and the UFP knew they could at least end hostilities for a little while with the treaty giving them time to recover and prepare for the Borg and deal with other hostile forces.

certainly but the Federation council was willing to trade worlds wit them..they were so passive and complacent my guess is they really did have a peace at any price faction in power for a good while

but like you said there was the Borg to worry about way bigger threat that needed focus

[Picard]

no the Dominion war would have happened regardless with a Cardassian population far less likely to eventually rebel, considering a mere border war with the UFP was collapsing their economy and causing wide spread homelessness and starvation all across their entire damn empire..total war with the UFP would have left them utterly ruined a complete collapse of their civilization and given their racial pride the Feddies 'good will" aid in rebuilding their ravaged worlds after is gonna cause wide spread resentment..

If you remember, Dominion really went to great lengths in order to get foothold in Alpha Quadrant before commencing invasion. Thing I'm saying is that, had the Federation kicked Cardassians, Dominion would have had much smaller starting advantage, and might even regard Cardassian Empire as unfit for the purpose.

[Lucky]

Could you please explain?

They were prepared to let possibility of Cardassians smuggling weapons into DMZ and preparing invasion go without investigation.

Where does this information come from?

"The Wounded"
PICARD: But whatever circumstances you encountered, why didn't you notify Starfleet?
MAXWELL: And wait six months while the bureaucrats sit around reading reports, trying to figure out what to do? They don't know what's going on out here. But you should, Picard. You know what it's like to be under fire.

[Lucky]

He was. But had Federation kicked Cardassians real hard, war would have been over soon. Maybe there wouldn't be a Dominion War, even.

no the Dominion war would have happened regardless with a Cardassian population far less likely to eventually rebel, considering a mere border war with the UFP was collapsing their economy and causing wide spread homelessness and starvation all across their entire damn empire..total war with the UFP would have left them utterly ruined a complete collapse of their civilization and given their racial pride the Feddies 'good will" aid in rebuilding their ravaged worlds after is gonna cause wide spread resentment..

i mean Cardassians are some of the most butthurt aliens in Sci Fi and they'd be even worse in your scenario- essentially the eventual Dominion conflict might last long enough for the feds to consider wide spread use of WMD's and you'd be looking at a very different galaxy.

One has to also keep in mind that conquering the Cardassians would have been very resource and time intensive.

The Cardasians were just an annoyance to the UFP, and the UFP knew they could at least end hostilities for a little while with the treaty giving them time to recover and prepare for the Borg and deal with other hostile forces.

certainly but the Federation council was willing to trade worlds wit them..they were so passive and complacent my guess is they really did have a peace at any price faction in power for a good while

but like you said there was the Borg to worry about way bigger threat that needed focus

The key word is trade. The UFP lost nothing in the deal because they literally traded planets as part of the treaty, and any Federation citizen should not have been on those planets anyway.

The UFP was really spooked by the Borg, and was expecting 2 to hundreds of cubes next time.

[Admiral Breetai]

One has to also keep in mind that conquering the Cardassians would have been very resource and time intensive.

i don't thunk they would have tried, they likely would have blockaded CP and just let the people starve until the Government surrendered or threatened to do so.

the UFP isn't an occupying force they seem more a 'we leave you crippled and broken and ask you to the table" type

If you remember, Dominion really went to great lengths in order to get foothold in Alpha Quadrant before commencing invasion. Thing I'm saying is that, had the Federation kicked Cardassians, Dominion would have had much smaller starting advantage, and might even regard Cardassian Empire as unfit for the purpose.

they might see them as even better..or not..they might go for Bajor assuming an extra decade of freedom hasn't matured the populace more

[Picard]

Could you please explain?

They were prepared to let possibility of Cardassians smuggling weapons into DMZ and preparing invasion go without investigation.

Where does this information come from?

"The Wounded"
PICARD: But whatever circumstances you encountered, why didn't you notify Starfleet?
MAXWELL: And wait six months while the bureaucrats sit around reading reports, trying to figure out what to do? They don't know what's going on out here. But you should, Picard. You know what it's like to be under fire.

Yeah, forgot about that. I should really get my hands on TNG.

[Lucky]

One has to also keep in mind that conquering the Cardassians would have been very resource and time intensive.

i don't thunk they would have tried, they likely would have blockaded CP and just let the people starve until the Government surrendered or threatened to do so.

the UFP isn't an occupying force they seem more a 'we leave you crippled and broken and ask you to the table" type

That still ties up more resources, that could be needed in other places.

The Cardassians were already starving and nearly broke, and that was pretty much why they went to war with the UFP. How the Cardassians could mismanage resources so badly that they can't feed their own people is beyond me, but it was partly why the treaty traded planets.

[Admiral Breetai]

That still ties up more resources, that could be needed in other places.

The Cardassians were already starving and nearly broke, and that was pretty much why they went to war with the UFP. How the Cardassians could mismanage resources so badly that they can't feed their own people is beyond me, but it was partly why the treaty traded planets.

because they were technologically backwards in an extreme and likely didn't have replicator technology until the peace treaty with the feds.

they probably had that "re-sequencing" technology of ENT era feds

[Lucky]

That still ties up more resources, that could be needed in other places.

The Cardassians were already starving and nearly broke, and that was pretty much why they went to war with the UFP. How the Cardassians could mismanage resources so badly that they can't feed their own people is beyond me, but it was partly why the treaty traded planets.

because they were technologically backwards in an extreme and likely didn't have replicator technology until the peace treaty with the feds.

they probably had that "re-sequencing" technology of ENT era feds

DS-9 having Cardasssian replicators was a plot point of a few DS-9 episodes, and the Cardassians had multiple planets.

I also don't recall the Cardassians having an over population problem.

[Admiral Breetai]

they had replicators by that point..but for example Gul Madred grew up starving and homeless having to eat raw bird fetus's and the like- it's very clear for a long period of time they did not have any type of serious replicator tech..during the war as well

the fact they stripped Bajor bare but twelve UFP quality industrial replicators could reverse that speaks volumes about how far behind the rest of the galaxy they were.

[Lucky]

they had replicators by that point..but for example Gul Madred grew up starving and homeless having to eat raw bird fetus's and the like- it's very clear for a long period of time they did not have any type of serious replicator tech..during the war as well

the fact they stripped Bajor bare but twelve UFP quality industrial replicators could reverse that speaks volumes about how far behind the rest of the galaxy they were.

During the series they still had a hard time feeding their people it seemed.

[Admiral Breetai]

During the series they still had a hard time feeding their people it seemed.

they're health care system collapsed entirely when the Klingons invaded commonly treated illnesses killed thousands and this was in the opening weeks of the war

[Lucky]

During the series they still had a hard time feeding their people it seemed.

they're health care system collapsed entirely when the Klingons invaded commonly treated illnesses killed thousands and this was in the opening weeks of the war

That makes as little sense as Cardassians starving when they control several planets, and seem to have no over population problems.

It makes the Cardassians appear to be overly centralized, but given their behavior in the series I guess that makes some sense.