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[Admiral Breetai]

Always

[Mike DiCenso]

When I do I ever refuse to provide evidence, or back up my claim? When does this happen? I calc'ed Maul's hyperdrive, circumnavigation of Yavin, etc.

When do I ever ignore contradictory evidence?

As for your claim that I make new threads on a whim, that is an interesting notion. When I am fresher, perhaps I can look up thread posting statistics to see if you actually calculated this.

There's a whole thread in the Trek/Wars section about that, and started by you no less.
-Mike

[mojo]

So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.

Everybody gets warnings. I even got banned for pushing the limits too far in some thread about transsexuals.
Quit the paranoia.

Kor, Breetai, Mojo, and KSW have also been warned as well as banned long before now for their behavior. Most especially KSW and Mojo for their sock puppet antics.
-Mike

i deny that i had ANYTHING to do with those alleged sock puppet accounts which i allegedly created to allegedly get up to the alledged antics. as i have explained before, i forgot to logout of the forum when i went to work and mrs. butterworth (my cat) spammed all over the board during my absence in an attempt to kill mike dicenso. she doesn't know that you can't kill a person by spamming a forum. she's a cat, what does she know about forums? in fact, i don't know how she ever learns anything about anything, considering i don't think i've ever seen her awake at any point in the last five years.
i showed her a picture of mike once, and she attacked the photo so viciously that her claws are now permanently embedded in my hands and she won't stop kicking me in the nuts while simultaneously ripping chunks out of them with her back claws. the feeling is INDESCRIBABLE.
DAMN, mike, what the FUCK did you do to my cat? AND WHY IS SHE WALKING FUNNY NOW?

[Praeothmin]

Funny how, mojo?
Funny like this?

[mojo]

Funny how, mojo?
Funny like this?

i'll take a look at that linGYAAAAAAAAAAAAH
THAT CAT IS DANCING THAT IS SO FUCKED UP
THAT'S NOT FUNNY
THAT'S FUCKING SCARY

[StarWarsStarTrek]

As for SWST's complaint that he's getting picked on. Well, far be it from me to fall for a fallacy that popular opinion equals the Truth. That is why I've waited as long as I have to assess SWST's behavior, as I will not allow the will of a mob to dictate to me what is or is not justice. That being said, as with RSA, I've gone from thinking SWST from being a potential victim to one of him/her being more of an instigator.

Dictate my behavior? How? What method did you use to do this?

SWST, someone thinking you're a troll and calling you out on your behavior is worlds apart from using a crude and insulting phrase. In this case the "circle jerk" bit there. But I am telling you, there is an obvious pattern. I'll reiterate:

Calling someone a troll and a liar IS a crude an insulting phrase. You cannot allow the one while allowing the other just because you obviously agree with them.

What's more, although you do give out warning to the opposition, you phrase it in a sympathetic manner ("hey, I agree with you, but as you keep insulting him, SWST will have a good excuse and I can't ban him!") despite the fact that what they did was clearly wrong.

-Stop ignoring contrary evidence.

Show me a link please.

-Provide evidence to back your claims.

Show me a link where I do not do this.

-Provide calculations, most preferably your own.

Show me a link where I do not do this.

Also justify why you have no problem with Breetai claiming a "few hundred meters" as max range without calcs, or "the explosions aren't MT or GT" without calcs.

-Stop starting new threads on the drop of a hat.

On the first page at the moment of this post, Breetai is the thread starter of 10 threads and I am of but 8. Once again, you are making claims without doing math to support them (read: your complaint about calculations).

What's more, look at the thread variety. About half of his threads a duplicate vs matches with slight variations, variations that do not change the fact that the debates are going to devolve into the same arguments, and he know this.

-Stop endlessly repeating the same tired old cut-and-paste SDN mantras that have been long since debunked.

More proof of the subjective judgement being used here. "Debunked" is your opinion, and you know this. You may think that they were debunked, but I do not think that they have been.

-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

SWST, someone thinking you're a troll and calling you out on your behavior is worlds apart from using a crude and insulting phrase. In this case the "circle jerk" bit there. But I am telling you, there is an obvious pattern. I'll reiterate:

Calling someone a troll and a liar IS a crude an insulting phrase. You cannot allow the one while allowing the other just because you obviously agree with them.

What's more, although you do give out warning to the opposition, you phrase it in a sympathetic manner ("hey, I agree with you, but as you keep insulting him, SWST will have a good excuse and I can't ban him!") despite the fact that what they did was clearly wrong.

But it's been documented that you trolled. The list I posted in the Death Star power generation thread largely details that. I just wish more members bothered doing the same, so you could not evade accusations so easily.

-Stop starting new threads on the drop of a hat.

On the first page at the moment of this post, Breetai is the thread starter of 10 threads and I am of but 8. Once again, you are making claims without doing math to support them (read: your complaint about calculations).

What's more, look at the thread variety. About half of his threads a duplicate vs matches with slight variations, variations that do not change the fact that the debates are going to devolve into the same arguments, and he know this.

Please, quit the act. The threads Mike talk about are a very specific kind of thread. Nothing to do with the ones Breetai started.

-Stop endlessly repeating the same tired old cut-and-paste SDN mantras that have been long since debunked.

More proof of the subjective judgement being used here. "Debunked" is your opinion, and you know this. You may think that they were debunked, but I do not think that they have been.

So? Are you going to repeat the same claims and arguments on and on because after all any disagreement or proof that they're invalid is nothing more than an opinion, and therefore can't be used to have you cut it?
You can notice that contrary to SDN or SBC, you had a lot of chances to prove yourself right on several points, and everyone saw how you avoided dealing with a problem, just to restart it somewhere else.
It is true that this is the most problematic kind of stuff to monitor and gauge for a moderator, but there is a time when a moderator has to draw a line and stop the viral broken record circus.

[Mike DiCenso]

Show me a link where I do not do this.

Also justify why you have no problem with Breetai claiming a "few hundred meters" as max range without calcs, or "the explosions aren't MT or GT" without calcs.
.

You mean like this recent example you so wonderfully provided to Mr. Oragahn just recently in the "The 1.5 megaton myth" thread:

Quote:Or, even using Bastrop, a literal vaporization would imply 400 megatons. A figurative vaporization of the near total destruction of buildings would imply 5 megatons.

Calcs ?

So, would you like to put your foot in your proverbial mouth again?
-Mike

[Trinoya]

Don't forget how he has ignored, since 2010, that the torpedo used in DS9: For the Uniform, had a chemical warhead and has continued to post a video that specifically cuts out that part of the torpedoes attack on the planet.

Still.


(Or the infamous posting of fan-art as evidence...)

[Admiral Breetai]

Don't forget how he has ignored, since 2010, that the torpedo used in DS9: For the Uniform, had a chemical warhead and has continued to post a video that specifically cuts out that part of the torpedoes attack on the planet.

Still.


(Or the infamous posting of fan-art as evidence...)

I documented new instances of this as recently as a week or so ago

[Mr. Oragahn]

Following a request of mine about delivering a warning to SWST, here is a "summary" of one of those issues with SWST, as Mike asked.

I could show how SWST ignored the description of the superlaser shots against Despayre, but I've already provided ample evidence of that, and largely proved that he simply ignored those posts and the data they contained (like JMS' post containing the three descriptions, to which I linked several times and even talked about here, on page 14). We can easily notice by now that he has totally refused to debate the Despayre issue. Doing a CTRL+F with "despayre" on the last two or three pages will immediately show that.

I'll pass on the amount of stupid things he say, like claiming some fusion that is not nuclear does power crafts, or that the United States planned to use teraton level nukes during the cold war, that the Millennium Falcon was clearly hit by asteroids flying at escape velocity in the movie, etc. Obviously this bloke has no idea what he's talking about, and it damn shows.

Instead I'll focus, this time, on his evolutive tactic that is to pretend having read quotes, and then later on claim they don't even exist, and even that I never posted them (!).

Page 10, I post a series of three posts full of quotations.
When SWST returns, I post links to those posts here, on page 12:
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 016#p33016

This is sooo not going to work, SWST.
I notice in that text below that you actually allowed yourself to cite another source. By doing so, you accept all other posters to do the same. Anyone knowing his nut about the EU regarding that question would tell you that it's a mistake, since the EU largely supports the fact that the Death Star is powered by fusion, the stellar kind. Nothing too fancy here.

I highlighted the importance of such quotes and their meaning here:

viewtopic.php?p=32408#p32408
viewtopic.php?p=32409#p32409
viewtopic.php?p=32428#p32428

SWST, you absolutely have NO interest into accepting other EU sources. Of course, that would make your case moot, since you'd be cherry picking.

SWST "replies", I.E. posts some one-line short commentary about ONE point that is part of only ONE quote among all of those I posted.

A technobabble neutrino charge capable of piercing the upper and lower mantle of a planet is still going to require energy, you know that?

And that was all.

I pointed out that part.
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 135#p33135

Good thing you did cherry pick, as expected. You pulled, what? One sentence, among a variety of nearly ten different long quotations. Good job.
Besides, how do you quantify the neutrino charged beam?

My request was largely ignored.

I remind him of two of my posts which it seemed he was going to let sink.

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 441#p33441

Bis repetita

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 715#p33715

We're straying a bit from the question of the quotes he ignored.
At mid-height of this post, I provide a summary of the crucial posts from the opposition which he ignored, plus the two warnings he received from Mike, about cherry picking; since he has lately abandonned using, as the only piece of evidence, the database which I returned against him, he is now claiming I was the one who provided it and based my entire argument on that and only that.
You'll see that later on.
Notice that he was also being warned, in other posts, to stop sidestepping any argument he was losing by bringing in some red herring about how Trek is wrong or does it differently, when we were talking about SW. I decided to completely reject those baits, but Mike again fell prey to it. I know that JMS doesn't see any problem with that, but it just confuses the discussion. I think it's quite out of place, on the contrary, when the topic of the thread is clearly SW centric. As pointed out about Saxton's website, there's no reason to make any comparison when we're not even dealing with a versus. It's just an argumentation tactic to pull the debate on tracks on which SWST thinks he could recover some point, or at least allow him to buy some time or have the opposition lose sight of the real argument.
I don't play those games, I reject his nonsense, and I think that globally, it makes for far better threads. It also makes mods' job easier by not having them to dice threads to sort out the irrelevant parts to create whole new ones, dedicated to what essentially was a red herring.

So SWST decides to claim that now there no links to my posts:
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 806#p33806

Where in your post are there any links? Oh, no, there are none.

Of course, I had provided the links several times, and we know he even read some of them, since he commented on the neutrino charge of the superlaser, which precisely is picked from one of the quotes. At this point I was not going to post the links again.

I limit myself to pointing out that he just ignored the quotes (I could hardly call his one line commentary on a series of three long posts full of quotations a "decent reply" by any stretch of the imgination):
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 848#p33848

No, because I provided the links again in a very recent post, in that very recent thread of yours, which you all ignored.
I even said that JMS posted the quotes in this thread.

So stop buying time and concede. Your foolish act is totally transparent.

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Blah blah blah.
That's part has already been covered.
Mike even warned you for that. Twice.
And I provided the links.

You're digging your own grave, and only making JMS' decision easier.

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I clearly proved that you are trolling this very thread, by ignoring evidence from it, numerous times, and that since page 1, and against several warnings.
I'm talking of evidence which was already present in other older threads and which were already referenced when you started to present your claims.
You can complain all you want, that's not going to move me. It's a bit late to play the victim here.

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You did type something in reply to some parts of my posts. I can't really say that it was anything worthwhile.
You certainly and repeatedly proved that you don't even read the quotes from the book Death Star and larger list of superlaser quotes I have provided.

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But then, again, in light of other quotes, descriptions and things that happened in the movie, this requires to be understood differently than the way you do. Otherwise, it's cherry picking.
Notice that the official website database is one of the weakest sources of all. It has a long record of being both wrong on several points, and being often edited.

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etc.

From there on, I've been pointing out in each post that he keeps ignoring the quotes about the Death Star's core and the superlaser firepower ratios.

Then, it really gets bad from there:
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 046#p34046

Wrong. The only sources you use are one part from the Death Star novel (even though that very novel confirms blatantly that the Death Star uses hypermatter) and some sections from the database that point to fusion as the power source.

The same old lie.
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 408#p32408
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 409#p32409
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 428#p32428

Not only did I provide the quotes, but I also analyzed them.

Seven different quotes. You haven't provided anywhere near that number supporting your stance.

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Go ahead. See if you can come up with 7 relevant quotes.

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Why don't you actually send your quotes, instead of threatening to do so?

See above.
Like I said and had to point out again the post that would follow, if I took the liberty of extracting singular mini-quotes like he did from the different sources I quoted earlier on, I'd have far more "quotes" than he did.
However, he would not recognize this on the basis that I did not provide said elements.

And more.

So, I could eventually provide, again, the links to the posts containing the quotes, but what tells me that this time he'll acknowledge those links or even read the quotes?

[Mike DiCenso]

I'd say that was proof enough for another warning. But let's see what JMS rules on it first.
-Mike

[mojo]

swst is getting boring. i'm starting to understand the position of the mods when they say 'just ignore him'. he's destroyed his credibility to the point that it's just moot. who cares? it makes me feel sad and pathetic that i threw such a fit about it.

[mojo]

also i'd like to invite you all to my birthday party. it's on july 6 in indiana. there will be cake and pie.

[Mr. Oragahn]

also i'd like to invite you all to my birthday party. it's on july 6 in indiana. there will be cake and pie.

Send me some by mail. Oh, I just tried cheesecakes with some raspberry sauce. Damn good.