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[mojo]

heck·le   
[hek-uhl]
verb, -led, -ling, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to harass (a public speaker, performer, etc.) with impertinent questions, gibes, or the like; badger.

i would rather not be heckled.

[Mr. Oragahn]

1. You can't cut an amount of repetition, but you can put an end to it rather quickly by forwarding evidence of that it's been settled in a form of another. You've been repeating yourself over a lot of threads while already found lacking support in the very first thread where you advanced argument A or B. In a way, you spammed your denial over several threads, and that was rather easy to spot.
Besides, it also shows a lot that you have NEVER ever bothered reading any thread made here before. Which explains your repetition and why people are bothered by it here. There's no excuse for it, this whole board is largely tech centric, there's little waste of threads. It's very quick to find data, quote and claims, especially if you know how to use the search engine or Google with the +, "your_keyword_here" and site:http://www.something.com functions.

2. The opposition doesn't really assume anything. They simply observe that you ignore their arguments and evidence, just to restart the thing elsewhere. I even think KirkSkywalker had better arguments at times than you do, quantity wise. Unfortunately, he also couldn't behave, and instead of just restraining his tendencies, he went berserk with his sockpuppet accounts, which in theory should only exponentially increase the duration of his ban. By now, he should probably be permabanned.

3. Unless evidence exists, and this boards happens to have said evidence in spades. The Death Star power thread is just an example of that. I speak of it because it's the one where I had to deal with you the most. And I'm still waiting for your replies, which you promised me (and that must be the third of fourth time I'm telling you that you "owe" me some form of reply, especially considering how outraged you were at the accusation of ignoring evidence).

4. That I can understand. That's what I said to minimize your postings, be more focused and post concise paragraphs eventually, if only to force the oppostion to stop fanning out into over arching posts. But for some reason, you feel like you need to post in a million threads at once, and using the spaghetti quote fashion that will certainly NOT make your task any easier.

5. Can't tell about Breetai, but what I observed is that many people complained about your methods. Look, I'm not Trekkie, and I often disagree with what they say, but in general I pay attention to all and stay focused. No one has really complained about my behaviour. For one, I totally went against JMS' gigaton figures and gigajoule phasers, and it went on rather nicely. Why can't you do the same?

6. Honestly, you have done a poor job of debating by the rules. Evidence is all over the board. So perhaps you should stop whining and actually debate properly, concede where you just can't win, and where you think you're right, stop spreading yourself over several threads and keep things simple, concise and clear.

[Praeothmin]

simply put JMS...we've proven to you time and time again the level of biased the lies and misrepresentation and dishonest debate tactics..you refuse to take action (and completely ignore me mind you) for..completely arbitrary reasons

also I'd like you to go on the record here: Yes or no is the presentation of doctored evidence known to be false or fan edited against the rules? SWST has done this many times...secondly: Yes or no is clinging to your theory on range despite on screen evidence disproving you..so as to say literally arguing with whats on screen/panel...illegal?

SWST has done this repeatedly

if these are not considered bannable offenses after such infractions then it's clear to me that you are leaving us with out any recourse so all that's left then is for us to bully and harass him until he leaves

Let me help calrify JMS's position, as I understand it now:
No, posting doctored evidence if the poster doesn't know it's doctored is not an offense worth of a warning...
Yes, if the poster is indeed aware the evidence was doctored, which has to be proven by the "accuser"...

No, clinging to your theory against unsurmountable evidence isn't worth a warning, it simply shows how obtuse and deluted you are for doing so...

And finally, you have no right to decide who can and cannot post here, so harrassing and trolling (both against the rules) will only land you in trouble, and not the bad debater...

[Mike DiCenso]

Let me help calrify JMS's position, as I understand it now:
No, posting doctored evidence if the poster doesn't know it's doctored is not an offense worth of a warning...
Yes, if the poster is indeed aware the evidence was doctored, which has to be proven by the "accuser"...

There lies the rub. Remember me asking for clarification several times on these issues. When do we as mods decide that a poster is knowingly using false evidence? In SWST's case, use not one, but two obvious fan-made pieces is really pushing the bounds of credibility that he/she did not know. Furthermore, even after it was pointed out to SWST that the evidence in question was fake and why it was clearly so, he/she still did not want to acknowledge it.

So at what point do you say that someone is in denial, or that they're faking it?
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

if these are not considered bannable offenses after such infractions then it's clear to me that you are leaving us with out any recourse so all that's left then is for us to bully and harass him until he leaves

I understand your frustration very well, Breetai, but I really must agree that you refrain from such behavior since it only makes you look like a hypocrite, especially since bullying and harrassment is just the same sort of thing done on SDN and SBC to those oppose those boards' groupthink doctrines.
-Mike

[Admiral Breetai]

Let me help calrify JMS's position, as I understand it now:
No, posting doctored evidence if the poster doesn't know it's doctored is not an offense worth of a warning...
Yes, if the poster is indeed aware the evidence was doctored, which has to be proven by the "accuser"...

No, clinging to your theory against unsurmountable evidence isn't worth a warning, it simply shows how obtuse and deluted you are for doing so...

And finally, you have no right to decide who can and cannot post here, so harrassing and trolling (both against the rules) will only land you in trouble, and not the bad debater...

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There lies the rub. Remember me asking for clarification several times on these issues. When do we as mods decide that a poster is knowingly using false evidence? In SWST's case, use not one, but two obvious fan-made pieces is really pushing the bounds of credibility that he/she did not know. Furthermore, even after it was pointed out to SWST that the evidence in question was fake and why it was clearly so, he/she still did not want to acknowledge it.

So at what point do you say that someone is in denial, or that they're faking it?
-Mike

so we're clear on this his posting the fan video was done this time from the exact same source...after he was told two times previous that source was doctered

so yeah that fits JMS criteria to a T (of course if you infract him the big boss will stare from his ivory tower and reverse it..naturally)

if these are not considered bannable offenses after such infractions then it's clear to me that you are leaving us with out any recourse so all that's left then is for us to bully and harass him until he leaves

I understand your frustration very well, Breetai, but I really must agree that you refrain from such behavior since it only makes you look like a hypocrite, especially since bullying and harrassment is just the same sort of thing done on SDN and SBC to those oppose those boards' groupthink doctrines.
-Mike

while I despise groupthink type bullying..taking the "law" into ones own hands when the staff has..clearly failed for what ever reason is merely self defense of the forum

[mojo]

trying to 'defend' a forum that does not want to be defended is idiotic, man. JMS has said he doesn't agree with what you're doing. they clearly didn't like what i did. the 'mods' are just doing their jobs, which entail 'whatever JMS wants'. nothing wrong with that. i hate to fucking say it, but we have lost. i wonder if there's any reason to stick around a forum willing to go to such great lengths to protect dishonest debate.

[Praeothmin]

so we're clear on this his posting the fan video was done this time from the exact same source...after he was told two times previous that source was doctered

Really?
Could you repost the link, I must have missed it.
This does indeed go against the rules...

i wonder if there's any reason to stick around a forum willing to go to such great lengths to protect dishonest debate.

Well, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I disagree...
I believe JMS is trying to make sure we don't cross the "That's is false evidence and is presented falsely even after you were told it was false" territory and go to the "You disagree with me therefore you asre lying and thus must be banned" territory...
And the problem is that line is extermely blurry...

[Jedi Master Spock]

Just felt I should probably interject to say that Praeothmin has precisely the right distinction in mind. Attempting to use a fan video as evidence is not against the rules; but knowingly trying to pass it off as canonical material would be dishonest.

[Admiral Breetai]

Really?
Could you repost the link, I must have missed it.
This does indeed go against the rules....

really? we have to provide the guilty evidence? do the staffs job for them? I mean nothing personal but damn preao..are my replies so terribly written you can't be bothered to read them? I went into great lengths to expound on what he did

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdRywohh2Tc

Double standard you, where do you see megaton level weapons here, in Star Trek?

great links edited fan videos also the "megaton" level weaponry here as noted is an absolute distortion and a willful one as he's ignoring the fact that the defiant was depowered-and the Breen cap ships where shooting at him with fire power well in excess of weaponry Data used to vaporize miles of concrete leading up a mountain

here's the full quote and my reply

Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdRywohh2Tc

Double standard you, where do you see megaton level weapons here, in Star Trek?

wow I can't believe this..dooes JMS obvious hostility towards us embolden you so? do you not recall what happened the last time you used the great links videos?

congratulations SWST you have officially and beyond the shadow of any doubt submitted proof of your patent dishonesty...after being told multiple times that these video series not only use clips from other series but deliberately mix up episodes and scenes edit them alter them..and what not

not only is this completely not canon and thus invalid it paints a fan based picture of the star wars universe and nothing else

to add to this the scene your referring too? yeah that's defiant armor depowered and weakened withstanding fire power several hundred times greater then the hand phaser Data used to annihilate an aqueduct that went on for miles.up a mountain utterly vaporizing it in the process

sitting here trying to pass this off as megaton fire power is nearly as dishonest as using that video as evidence

oh and incidentally here is more deliberate debate dishonesty

despite this being debunked despite numerous mentions of "these had no yields and where loaded with something to poison the atmosphere" and numerous times of you and mike and others hammering into him that this was not an actual valid fire power showing

he again submits this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHTtOMWRysg

and then claims this

We see two quantum torpeods failing to cover the entire planet, despite being far more powerful than phasers.

prior to this he twisted my claim misrepresenting a post in the process

I think this is very clear you can't break JMS one Rule more then he did in this situation not only does he know and it was majorly pointed out to him that this guys channel was unreliable yet he submits it here...he knew this was doctored and heavily edited he knows this because it was impressed on him an ungodly amount of times early in his career and got told to knock it off..his submission of the Q torps is another rule break!!!

now then you have your information..what is this? trolling or not

[StarWarsStarTrek]

You're full of poop. I publicly apologize for said fan made video several times.


But upon reviewing your post, your claims of dishonesty are void. The 'fan made video' is using clips from the actual TV show; the only examples of not doing so is the attack on Earth. It's simply a condensed version of the shows. All of the scenes with a few exceptions are completely valid and from the show.

[Praeothmin]

Breetai, I only wanted the link to check it out... :)

You two post so much information, its impossible for someone with a busy RL to read everything carefully... ;)

You're full of poop. I publicly apologize for said fan made video several times.

Then why did you use it again after you were told it was edited?

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Breetai, I only wanted the link to check it out... :)

You two post so much information, its impossible for someone with a busy RL to read everything carefully... ;)

You're full of poop. I publicly apologize for said fan made video several times.

Then why did you use it again after you were told it was edited?

Because the fan-made video contains actual footage from the TV series?

I suppose that the big battle scenes shown in it, Sisko talking, his crew talking, and all that were really just CGI animated by a very dedicated fan, who just happened to make a clip just as high in quality as the original with the exact same voice actors, the exact same clips and the exact same ship models! All because a single section of it included clips from outside of ST, that clip of which isn't even in the link that I sent you; it was in another part!

This is what happens with spin doctoring.





Praeothmin, let's look at this:


Breentai makes a claim:

1, we've been through this regarding precog..so please leave that at the door

I ask for evidence:

When? Where? Show me the thread in which we debated over pre cog.

Breentai's evidence, which you banned me for (allegedly) not having:

you know when


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Another one of Breentai's claims:

2, Galadriels and Gandalf surpass anything shown in the films..

My request for evidence:

And you can prove this, right? Back it up with evidence?

His response:

you don´t know how toi read?

Source:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 5&start=15

[Mr. Oragahn]

It's b r e e t a i, not b r e e n t a i.

[Admiral Breetai]

Breetai, I only wanted the link to check it out... :)

You two post so much information, its impossible for someone with a busy RL to read everything carefully... ;

if I gave you the link you might not find it in my long winded distracting posts I wanted to be thorough

So I guess we wait for JMS to come in here and either warn me for some nonsense..or bail SWSt out again because he wrongly thinks the kids being bullied then? that's why we're not making any rulings on this kid?

Because the fan-made video contains actual footage from the TV series?

which was heavily edited and still not showing what you where saying

This is what happens with spin doctoring.

you mean like the atmospheric torpedo bit? come now..son that's another dishonest debate thing you where told multiple times on

Praeothmin, let's look at this:

yeah boss let's totally look at my dismissal of his demand for evidence after I had posted a post larger then the one I did in the ICS thread (which was thrice ignored entirely by...every but mister O) detailing the flaws of Jedi precog I did this across multiple forums with this guy each time he completely ignored it

you know because taking things out of context is..amusing and all SWSt more distorting on your part...