The SSD and 12 ISD's mix it up in Romulan space

[Picard]

The calculation I cited involving half a kiloton was made by a spacebattles member, not Wong, who indeed was flabbergasted by the result.

It was taken from Wong's site, if I'm not W(r)ong. But regardless, it has same bullsh** assumptions as Wong's site, so no difference.

Out of universe explanation: The authors of Star Trek overestimate the power of pulsars and other celestial bodies, instead having Data sprout bullshit without bothering to think of the implications.

Out of the universe explanation: Wong, and, consequently, you, make bull**** assumptions due to either lack of knowledge (composition of star, in this case) or heavy (neutronium-heavy) bias. Choose.

here:

Non-canon.

A Base Delta Zero

Non-canon.

involves the turning of the upper surface of a planet into molten slag.

Pure BS.
http://picard578.blogspot.com/2010/10/e ... -zero.html
Old work, but quite sufficient.

The visuals clearly refute this, as 30% of the planet's crust has not been destroyed, nor have effects one would expect from such an event been witnessed when they should have been.

I am one of people who don't accept TDiC event as DET, so I don't see point here.

[Mith]

Evidence that the gravity systems are better?

...Um, they power their ships with minature black holes.

Hell, that alone would cause havoc with hyperdrives.

Evidence that the romulans couldn't make effective use of hyperdrive with their superior sensor systems?

Oh, they'd want the hyperdrive.

Just because the romulans use singularities doesn't mean they are on par with 'moon building' gravity, especially when you consider the bulk of the death star is hollow and the thing doesn't fly apart from moving. Simply put, gravity systems in starwars are something awesome.

That has more to do with structural construction than it does gravity. That's not to scoff at the achivement that is the Death Star, but it doesn't really present anything in terms of uber gravity technology.

[Praeothmin]

That's not to scoff at the achivement that is the Death Star, but it doesn't really present anything in terms of uber gravity technology.

Well, in AotC, we see Acclamators and Trade Federation spheres land on and take off planets.
If they did this using thrusters, and not Anti-grav, then every time one such ship took off the blast from its rockets or ion engines would devastate the surronding areas, like the space shuttle's does...

Since these ships taking off never do such damage, then they are not using simply rocket thrust to achieve this, they are most likely using anti-grav tehcnology of some sort, which is very impressive, and again points to SW knowing about gravity control...

[Mike DiCenso]

Well, presuming that SW repulsor lift technology is a form of actual gravity control. The only hard G-level canon statement on it's nature comes from the ANH novelization where it is strongly implied by Luke's statement that repulsor lift is gravity-based. Later in the same novel, when the Death Star is approaching Alderaan, there is a call out that the battlestation is in antigravity range, also suggesting gravity manipulation is at work.
-Mike

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Picard, nice job at getting your facts wrong, either through dishonesty or ignorance. The calculation that got to half a kiloton was conducted on spacebattles.com from somebody with no relation to Wong, and you have yet to name a single inaccuracy shown in the calculations.

[Picard]

Picard, nice job at getting your facts wrong, either through dishonesty or ignorance. The calculation that got to half a kiloton was conducted on spacebattles.com from somebody with no relation to Wong, and you have yet to name a single inaccuracy shown in the calculations.

Somebody in no relation with Wong, who is obviously Warsie and gets his facts as wrong as Wong. Either they both are similarly uneducated about composition of star, or similarly dishonest, or actually connected.

http://picard578.blogspot.com/2010/08/f ... ields.html

"Shield strength from Relics" section.

And you are probably last person on board who should educate anyone on dishonesty.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Picard, nice job at getting your facts wrong, either through dishonesty or ignorance. The calculation that got to half a kiloton was conducted on spacebattles.com from somebody with no relation to Wong, and you have yet to name a single inaccuracy shown in the calculations.

Somebody in no relation with Wong, who is obviously Warsie and gets his facts as wrong as Wong. Either they both are similarly uneducated about composition of star, or similarly dishonest, or actually connected.

http://picard578.blogspot.com/2010/08/f ... ields.html

"Shield strength from Relics" section.

And you are probably last person on board who should educate anyone on dishonesty.

So he is still using calcs that ignore the fact that the E-D was at 150,000km from the star in question WITHOUT its shields up for a significant amount of time in "Relics" is he.

Along with the fact that they only raised them due to flying through a violent eruption of matter and energy from the stars surface and even with shields down to 23% due to prior damage it was still enough for them to survive increasing eruptions for at least 3 hours.

Told it would happen as soon as the page turned..

[Picard]

So he is still using calcs

Who and which calcs?

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

So he is still using calcs

Who and which calcs?

Wongs and some dude from SB.com or at least those are who's he is referencing it seems.

[Picard]

Ah, thanks... my attention/brain obviously went AWOL at the time.

[User1627]

That's not to scoff at the achivement that is the Death Star, but it doesn't really present anything in terms of uber gravity technology.

Well, in AotC, we see Acclamators and Trade Federation spheres land on and take off planets.
If they did this using thrusters, and not Anti-grav, then every time one such ship took off the blast from its rockets or ion engines would devastate the surronding areas, like the space shuttle's does...

Since these ships taking off never do such damage, then they are not using simply rocket thrust to achieve this, they are most likely using anti-grav tehcnology of some sort, which is very impressive, and again points to SW knowing about gravity control...

You started at the bottom...and it's been downhill ever since!

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Picard, nice job at getting your facts wrong, either through dishonesty or ignorance. The calculation that got to half a kiloton was conducted on spacebattles.com from somebody with no relation to Wong, and you have yet to name a single inaccuracy shown in the calculations.

Somebody in no relation with Wong, who is obviously Warsie and gets his facts as wrong as Wong.n

Noted that you have yet to explain how any of his math or interpretation is flawed. Did you even look at his calculations? Do you even know the link? Obviously not, since you assumed that it was from SDN.


Go analyze his calculations; which have nothing to do with the Relic calculation, and explain how any of his steps are flawed.

[Picard]

Noted that you have yet to explain how any of his math or interpretation is flawed. Did you even look at his calculations? Do you even know the link? Obviously not, since you assumed that it was from SDN.

I didn't and I don't need to look at it to see that his starting assumptions are flawed. And no, I don't know the link, so by all means, post it.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Noted that you have yet to explain how any of his math or interpretation is flawed. Did you even look at his calculations? Do you even know the link? Obviously not, since you assumed that it was from SDN.

I didn't and I don't need to look at it to see that his starting assumptions are flawed. And no, I don't know the link, so by all means, post it.

What is this stupidity? You do not need to look at his calcs to know that it is wrong? Do you possess telepathy?

I will post the link up later, but gosh. Have you even considered the possibility that the Enterprise really did fall to 0.5 kilotons, because the writers who made that scene did not bother to research and calculate the implications of their acts of plot?

[Admiral Breetai]

What is this stupidity? You do not need to look at his calcs to know that it is wrong? Do you possess telepathy?

it's called judging based off consistent history of a person there are DOW's warsies and SB'ers so biased that there s simply no need to look at a calc you know for an absolute fact it's going to be bullshit as it always is