Star Wars Industrial supremacy fact or fairy tale?

[Praeothmin]

Oh automization definitely has someting to do with it.
Can you imagine the ISD requires 37 000 crew members?
That's 37 times the E-D's requirements.
Does an ISD have 37 times the internal volume of a GCS?
I know it has around 10 times the mass, but the volume?

[Mike DiCenso]

There have been at least 90 active Starfleet starbases mentioned:

TOS era:

2 • 4 • 6 • 9 • 10 • 11 • 12 • 14 • 21 • 22

TNG-era:

23 • 24 • 25 • 27 • 29 • 32 • 36 • 39-Sierra • 41 • 47 • 53 • 58 • 63 • 67 • 73 • 74 • 82 • 83 • 84 • 87 • 97 • 103 • 105 • 112 • 117 • 118 • 121 • 123 • 129 • 133 • 134 • 137 • 152 • 153 • 157 • 172 • 173 • 174 • 179 • 185 • 200 • 201 • 211 • 212 • 214 • 218 • 219 • 220 • 227 • 231 • 234 • 235 • 247 • 257 • 260 • 295 • 301 • 310 • 313 • 324 • 328 • 336 • 343 • 371 • 375 • 401 • 410 • 414 • 416 • 434 • 440 • 495 • 514 • 515 • 621 • 718 • G-6

Named: Farpoint Station • Starbase Earhart • Starbase Montgomery • Xendi Starbase 9

The vast majority are TNG-era, which makes a great deal of sense since the Federation has easily expanded in volume, and more starbases and outposts are required to fill a much greater number of starships, as well as defense of the expanded borders.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Oh automization definitely has someting to do with it.
Can you imagine the ISD requires 37 000 crew members?
That's 37 times the E-D's requirements.
Does an ISD have 37 times the internal volume of a GCS?
I know it has around 10 times the mass, but the volume?

ISD = 69,534,240 cubic meters

GCS = 5,820,983 cubic meters

So nearly 12 times the volume difference.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

And considering you could get billions of ISDs out of a Death Star's volume.

Not really. For a 120 km wide Death Star, you get an absolute maximum of 1.3 billion ISDs.
-Mike

Going back over the numbers, you get "only" a maximum 129 million ISDs out of one 120 km Death Star.
-Mike

[Praeothmin]

Oh automization definitely has someting to do with it.
Can you imagine the ISD requires 37 000 crew members?
That's 37 times the E-D's requirements.
Does an ISD have 37 times the internal volume of a GCS?
I know it has around 10 times the mass, but the volume?

ISD = 69,534,240 cubic meters

GCS = 5,820,983 cubic meters

So nearly 12 times the volume difference.
-Mike

So 12 times the volume, but 37 times the crew requirements...
Wow...

[User1602]

They can't have superior industry if they can't manufacture better stuff.

[Praeothmin]

They can't have superior industry if they can't manufacture better stuff.

Not quite true.
It depends on what you mean by "better".
Does it create more advanced stuff, or just a greater quantity of stuff?

[User1602]

They can't have superior industry if they can't manufacture better stuff.

Not quite true.
It depends on what you mean by "better".
Does it create more advanced stuff, or just a greater quantity of stuff?

I think the Empire makes more, because they have more of it to make. But the Federation clearly makes better stuff. For example, the Universal Translator fits in your year, and does the work of a C-3PO; we know it doesn't require anything else to function, since it worked in "Little Green Men" when Quark went back to 1940's Earth.

[Praeothmin]

Not better everywhere though.
Smaller ships in SW the size of a ST Runabout are much faster then Runabouts, in fact they are as fast as Capital ships in SW...

Their Droids are very advanced, so much so they need periodical memery whipes to they won't devellop a personnality...
AI much?

But yeah, all in all, I'de live in the ST universe before I would the SW...

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oh automization definitely has someting to do with it.
Can you imagine the ISD requires 37 000 crew members?
That's 37 times the E-D's requirements.
Does an ISD have 37 times the internal volume of a GCS?
I know it has around 10 times the mass, but the volume?

To continue onto what JMS started, it's also the reactor assembly that's huge. The whole thing, thrusters plus reactors plus fuel silos, on the vast majority of EU drawings, make them take like half the ship's volume, or at least a massive third of it.
The problem with those large ships is that they assume plenty of roles, one of them being the carrier role and even deployment role to drop prefab bases and other walkers left and right.

Now, regardless of why they are that big, the fact is... they do build them that big. They could build smaller ships if they wanted to, but that's not the point.

And considering you could get billions of ISDs out of a Death Star's volume.

Not really. For a 120 km wide Death Star, you get an absolute maximum of 1.3 billion ISDs.
-Mike

Fuzzy mem and working on the 160 km figure. >:[

There have been at least 90 active Starfleet starbases mentioned:

TOS era:

2 • 4 • 6 • 9 • 10 • 11 • 12 • 14 • 21 • 22

TNG-era:

23 • 24 • 25 • 27 • 29 • 32 • 36 • 39-Sierra • 41 • 47 • 53 • 58 • 63 • 67 • 73 • 74 • 82 • 83 • 84 • 87 • 97 • 103 • 105 • 112 • 117 • 118 • 121 • 123 • 129 • 133 • 134 • 137 • 152 • 153 • 157 • 172 • 173 • 174 • 179 • 185 • 200 • 201 • 211 • 212 • 214 • 218 • 219 • 220 • 227 • 231 • 234 • 235 • 247 • 257 • 260 • 295 • 301 • 310 • 313 • 324 • 328 • 336 • 343 • 371 • 375 • 401 • 410 • 414 • 416 • 434 • 440 • 495 • 514 • 515 • 621 • 718 • G-6

Named: Farpoint Station • Starbase Earhart • Starbase Montgomery • Xendi Starbase 9

The vast majority are TNG-era, which makes a great deal of sense since the Federation has easily expanded in volume, and more starbases and outposts are required to fill a much greater number of starships, as well as defense of the expanded borders.
-Mike

Sorry Mike, I'm on a low bullet point diet this week. Your points are invalid.

PS: do we know what's the biggest UFP space station of all times?

[User1602]

Not better everywhere though.
Smaller ships in SW the size of a ST Runabout are much faster then Runabouts, in fact they are as fast as Capital ships in SW...

What? How? Runabouts are warp-driven ships, even the shuttles in TNG are warp-driven.

Their Droids are very advanced, so much so they need periodical memery whipes to they won't devellop a personnality...
AI much?

SW Droids can't think, as Obi-wan told Dax; R2-D2 is an exception.
ST simply doesn't use androids; Data is an exception, as is the EMH, Moriarty and Vic Fontaine. ST computers are definitely more advanced than SW's, but they limit human interaction with them; remember the M-5 disaster?

But yeah, all in all, I'de live in the ST universe before I would the SW...

I'd live in ancient Egypt before I would the SW universe, it's less violent and chaotic... and people have more control over their own lives, they're not puppets of any "Force."

Consider their very titles: Star Trek, which is about an excursion to the stars; vs. Star Wars, which is about settling conflicts by violence, even in the interstellar era.
Only a psycho would want that! By Picard's era, people have outgrown violence, and only use it when attacked with no choice, forging peace and growth throughout the galaxy. In SW, the galaxy's controlled by cops who have psychic powers and know everything, and carry laser-swords to chop people up, like a "bad acid-trip" universe.

[Admiral Breetai]

Trek hasn't out grown violence they just use it when they have too and its not as wide spread as wars due to well the lack of really needing anything

[User1602]

Trek hasn't out grown violence they just use it when they have too and its not as wide spread as wars due to well the lack of really needing anything

That's what I said. But I disagree that they don't use violence because they don't need anything;it's because they only want to defend what they have, not to get whatever they want from others.
Like in Star Wars, the Trade Federation said their blockade was legal; thats ridiculous, ST would never recognize a right to contrain liberty.And that's how Palpatine spread his rule, by the republic saying that the Separatist planets couldn't leave it, so they let him take over in order to force them to stay.
The Federation would just say "meh, your loss."

[mojo]

eh, i want to be a massively wanked eu jedi, yet live in the trek universe.
...
man, that sounds wrong.

[User1602]

eh, i want to be a massively wanked eu jedi, yet live in the trek universe.
...
man, that sounds wrong.

It is, it's called a Q