Luke Skywalker boards the Enterprise

[Khas]

Sorry Mike. I'm just frusturated with KSW.

[User1601]

He should have already gotten a warning for intellectually dishonesty, via the repeated "bait & switch" aggravation; if he's going to make claims, he should be required to either document or retract them.

[Khas]

Look, I'll try to say this in the calmest way I can, which isn't easy.

First of all, I provided multiple sources of Lucas' involvement in TFU, coming directly from the creators of the game itself, and even posted the video of Lucas at that convention when dealing with TFU. As for the post that came from the site with mentions to Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, you demanded a Lucas quote for TFU, that was the only one out there. But when multiple sources all say the same thing about Lucas' involvement, and that the game is considered part of the canon story of SW, that should be a hint to most people that TFU is canon.

Secondly, I never start flame wars. Never. I may participate in them, but I don't go out to insult other people. I do however, retalliate. What was seen here was the exception to my behavior, not the rule.

[Mike DiCenso]

Both of you know better, thus you are both getting the warnings. If you have an issue with someone breaking the rules, you can PM either Praeothmin or I to report it, and one or both of us will look into it. Now don't let this happen again.

KSW, if you have an accusation of dishonesty, then you need to be ready to back that up. As far as I can see at first glance at the material Khas provided, it is legitimate evidence of George Lucas' giving the green light and canoizing those works as part of his SW universe, not the EU.

A a clear cut example of dishonesty would be using unoffically licensed fan material, such as artwork or stories. There was a whole big issue about that when SWST used a fanmade photoshopped art piece of the Battle of Wolf 359 to claim sub-kilometer combat ranges for Trek ships, and a fan video that edited in material from non-Trek movies to prove low megatons for Trek weapons.

So again, if you guys have an issue, don't jump into a shouting match with each other. Call a mod. It's what we're here for. Now, carry on.
-Mike

[User1601]

KSW, if you have an accusation of dishonesty, then you need to be ready to back that up. As far as I can see at first glance at the material Khas provided,

Glance again: he did it after failing three times, including providing non-Lucas quotes to back up his claim of Lucas-quotes, and finally only provided it after I said he lost the argument due to non-compliance.

A a clear cut example of dishonesty would be using unoffically licensed fan material, such as artwork or stories.

Or giving quotes from someone OTHER than Lucas, to back up his claims of Lucas saying something, and then calling that the equivalent.
It's not.

[Khas]

When these people said that Lucas had worked on the game and declared it canon. Multiple times. Most people would take this as evidence. This is my final stance on the matter.

[mojo]

this is the kind of bullshit i was talking about. ridiculous to warn someone for snapping after being trolled for fucking pages. STUPID! anyone who reads this thread can see khas showed the patience of a fucking saint, posted evidence multiple times even though it was denied for no reason at all that i can see except that this guy's a complete jackass. FUCK that. i especially like the part where khas posts multiple links to the evidence he's been asked for, and the other guy talks about how that's not nearly good enough. warning khas for finally flipping out on him, and in the extremely low-key way in which he did it? oh, for fuck's sake.

[Mike DiCenso]

Mojo, Khas is not some first time noob poster here. He knows better and should have brought any misbehavior on KSW's part to the attention of either Praeo or myself. Also KSW being obtuse, as he usually is prone to be, is not strictly against the board rules as long as he doesn't throw insults or otherwise cause problems. We've been over that, especially where SWST was concerned since all he did was just ignore evidence and arguements against his position.

Maybe someday the rules for the board will change regarding that, but for now that's the way it is.

KSW, if you have an accusation of dishonesty, then you need to be ready to back that up. As far as I can see at first glance at the material Khas provided,

Glance again: he did it after failing three times, including providing non-Lucas quotes to back up his claim of Lucas-quotes, and finally only provided it after I said he lost the argument due to non-compliance.

A a clear cut example of dishonesty would be using unoffically licensed fan material, such as artwork or stories.

Or giving quotes from someone OTHER than Lucas, to back up his claims of Lucas saying something, and then calling that the equivalent.
It's not.

Khas provided evidence clear and simple, KSW. It may not be Lucas himself, but there is nothing suggesting that the people whom he is citing are lying about Lucas' involvement with TFU game and storyline. In fact, they'd probably wind up in a lot of trouble, if they did, and Lucas found out about that. Furthermore, there is no actual cut-off here for someone to provide evidence. Khas provided a direct quote as well, even if you don't like the timing of it. He's come through on all matters, and his only mistake was not calling a mod when it was clear you were insulting him.
-Mike

[Khas]

I even posted a video of Lucas endorsing the game. Considering that the game came out in 2008, we would have heard about any legal trouble by now.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oh, and just to make you happy:

George Lucas: The Force Unleashed are the only Star Wars video games based on my own original story ideas. It remains the only video games that represent true Star Wars history. I have a basic idea for The Force Unleashed 3 and 4, which are going to mesmerize the fans even more than the first ones if that's even possible.

The Force Unleashed 2 has been completed and released to retail stores even though LucasArts has been experiencing so much turmoil lately. With work on the various Star Wars TV shows, the Star Wars video games aren't much of a priority right now, but The Force Unleashed 3 will definitely happen eventually if part 2 is successful.

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/lucas/

"I'm the only one who does true Star Wars, the rest is really nothing more than totally untrue. Technically, the rest doesn't exist. Don't forget to buy the other books and games stamped Star Wars though."

Don't miss the next book called "From Director to Troll, the Story of a Saga"!

[User1601]

Khas provided evidence clear and simple, KSW. It may not be Lucas himself, but there is nothing suggesting that the people whom he is citing are lying about Lucas' involvement with TFU game and storyline. In fact, they'd probably wind up in a lot of trouble, if they did, and Lucas found out about that.

Preposterous. The fact that it wasn't Lucas, means that he shouldn't have used it to prove his prior claim that Lucas said something. Just because "there's nothing suggesting they're lying" doesn't mean diddly-squat in terms of evidence being real, reliable and relevant in terms of proving his initial argument that "Lucas said X;" it's still pure third-party hearsay, and is not an acceptable substute-- particularly since the quotes were vague and ambiguous; and it's not like we can cross-examine them to find out what Lucas MEANT-- or EXACTLY what he said-- or if Lucas would agree.
So it's HEARSAY under the rules of evidence.

If he had initially claimed that those people SAID Lucas said it, THEN and ONLY THEN could have their quotes have validated his claim.

Also KSW being obtuse, as he usually is prone to be

No, you're being obtuse, as YOU are prone to be, playing favorites as per usual, and being abusive where you please while giving out warnings when others do it.

When someone attributes a quote to someone, and are challenged to document or retract it, they have to do one or the other-- and he did neither, but just kept on farting around with the third-party quotes in intellectually dishonest fashion.

I'm done playing "he said she said," if you can't figure out a direct quote from a third-party one then I can't help you.

[Mike DiCenso]

No, you're being idiotic, as YOU are prone to be, playing favorites as per usual, and being abusive where you please while giving out warnings when others do it.

This is your second warning now. If you think I'm "playing favorites" (a serious accusation, mind you), you should take that up with both Praeothmin and JMS. I would point out that both of you got equal warnings for poor behavior, but it seems that you will continue to receive more since you don't know when to take a hint.

When someone attributes a quote to someone, and are challenged to document or retract it, they have to do one or the other-- and he did neither, but just kept on farting around with the third-party quotes in intellectually dishonest fashion.

He provided both direct and indirect in support. You just didn't want to accept it, or go through the articles, and instead kept moving the goal posts further and further as well s bait Khas with insults.
-Mike

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Then you failed, if you consider the EU to be canon; if you insist on that, then our conversation is over, now and always.

This statement is hilarious, for two reasons:

a) It's extremely dense and close minded, with an unnecessary absolute

b) The OP involves EU Luke facing off against the Enterprise. Obviously the EU is canon for this thread, or the topic would not work and EU Luke would not exist.

A few of Luke's feats:


He's destroyed and rebuilt Vader's fortress
He landed himself, Isoldor and Isoldor's ship from free fall from orbit
He manipulated artificial singularities
He rooted himself in the Force to defend against an attack so deeply that not even the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him
In the Liberation of Coruscant in the YV war, Luke was fighting so fast he was said to be like wielding 20 lightsabers at once
Luke communicated with all the Jedi across the galaxy at once
Luke created a lifelike copy of the Jade Shadow
Luke froze every drop of food and water with a wave of his hand during a food fight in the Jedi academy at once
Luke absorbed the laser cannon fire of an AT-AT and knocked over a crippled AT-AT

[User1601]

Then you failed, if you consider the EU to be canon; if you insist on that, then our conversation is over, now and always.

This statement is hilarious, for two reasons:

a) It's extremely dense and close minded

Nowhere near deep as the manure in the EU-- which is my point. Read on:

b) The OP involves EU Luke facing off against the Enterprise. Obviously the EU is canon for this thread, or the topic would not work and EU Luke would not exist.

Then there's not much to discuss, since the EU's wanked-up stats are pretty much anthing-goes. Case in point.

A few of Luke's feats:

He's destroyed and rebuilt Vader's fortress
He landed himself, Isoldor and Isoldor's ship from free fall from orbit
He manipulated artificial singularities
He rooted himself in the Force to defend against an attack so deeply that not even the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him
In the Liberation of Coruscant in the YV war, Luke was fighting so fast he was said to be like wielding 20 lightsabers at once
Luke communicated with all the Jedi across the galaxy at once
Luke created a lifelike copy of the Jade Shadow
Luke froze every drop of food and water with a wave of his hand during a food fight in the Jedi academy at once
Luke absorbed the laser cannon fire of an AT-AT and knocked over a crippled AT-AT

Feel free to discuss it... bring your hip-waders! :D

[Admiral Breetai]

I'll just toss this out here..tech aint holding back the force in it's current levels in st

but the idea that Luke can just use the force to stop himself from being beamed into space is kinda silly