StarWarsStarTrek wrote:The Force is not limited by line of sight and cannot be blocked by physical objects.
Never said othewise-- but a force-field is not a physial object per se. It stops
energy-- and the Force is energy.
Evidence:
Obi Wan and Qui Gon are manipulating objects without seeing them
Where?
Yoda was sensing Anakin's pain from across the galaxy in real time
No, he was sensing Qui Gon telling Anakin not to kill the Sand-people.
That's more in the realm of telepathy than telekinesis.
Vader was choking a dude through a camera
In the next room, and not through a force-field.
Vader choked Xizor from light years away
Luke communicates with all the Jedi across the galaxy simultaneously
Battle Meditation affects the combat performance even of soldiers in sealed starfighters
The Force is therefore infinite in its speed, or really, really, really fast.
And I don't want to sound too biased,
Then you failed, if you consider the EU to be canon; if you insist on that, then our conversation is over, now and always.
but I doubt that any of the crew on the Enterprise can do jack all to capture or kill Luke.
Then you doubt the laws of physics. Canon says that the Force is an energy-field, and Enterprise force-fields can stop
any type of energy.
Luke has infiltrated star destroyers with tens of thousands of crew members, often times fully expecting Jedi to board, and has won.
Again, that's the EU; but that says more about the poor SW security than Luke's great stealth-skills. Even in the canon, he and Han landed the Falcon right on the Death Star undetected, and waltzed through the bloody it-- even before he was a Jedi; and would have done it all the way, if Han hadn't decided to take on the whole Death Star crew in a firefight, and then jump into a garbage-crusher (which shows how crude their tech is, since the Enterprise simply converts all waste to bulk-matter for the replicators).
Enterprise security is a LITTLE more sophistocated than that...
"Captain, we have an intruder onboard."
"Main viewscreen, Mr. Worf."
"He seems to have no idea that we can SEE him..."
"True, Number One; he must come from a fairly primitive world."
"Captain, I'm sensing that he's using some sort of power to detect the presence of those nearby..."
"Telepathy, Counselor?"
"No, captain, something... different."
"Captain, I recommend we beam him into a holding cell-- at high containment, we don't know what other powers he has."
"Good point, Number One-- Bridge to Engineering. Mr. LaForge, we have a situation that could use your expertise, regarding a guest we weren't expecting; can you arrange a force-field to ensure that no harm will come to him or others while we prepare for a meeting and conversation?"
"Well sir, sensors indicate that the energy he's using follows an unusual pattern, but its nothing tha a high-level containment field can't stop.
"Very good, Mr. La Forge. Mr. Worf, make it so: and run a check to see if he's controlling any sort of energy that we can detect."
"Aye Captain. Energizing... (Detect THIS!) Done, sir; and a primary analysis shows that he's manipulating some sort of background energy in trace-levels, but I've adjusted ship's screens to nullify it, as per engineering's readings, and to screen out all energy to prevent anything
else he might try that involves using
any sort of energy."
"Very good, Mr. Worf... one can't be too careful. You have the conn; Number One, Counslor: let's go have a talk with our new friend! I hope his new quarters aren' t too uncomfortable, but we do have to inform him that it's impolite to walk into another's private abode without a proper invitation!"
"Captain, he's in trouble-- he seems to be suffocating!"
"Mr. Worf, are you sure he's getting
air in there?"
"Of course sir, but it seems he isn't just controlling the energy-- his bio-readings seem
dependent on it!"
"ALERT, Sickbay! Medic to the holding cells immediately!"
Something like that.
The Enterprise does not have that many crew members with military experience.
Oh yeah, they never fought the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Ferrengi, the Dominion or the Borg... or even the Federation itself.
Oh and yes, they'v NEVER trained in holosims that are indistinguishable from real experience...
