Commentary on StarWarsStarTrek v. 2046

[Admiral Breetai]

A football sized device leaving a central crater the diameter of north America does leave a lasting impression....:).

true enough there are allot of moments in star trek and some casual dialog that are pretty crazy for a mid tier sci fi franchise and make the "only capable of KT to MT " level fire power pretty unbelievable a few good examples are

"sure our ship can tow your moon with a little roiding of the tractor beam despite it being tiny by comparison but the problem is the laws of physics kick in and your moon shatters and kills every one us included"

"we can blow it up but that's also a bad idea"

or conversely

"we can totally clean the pollution in your atmosphere up with our deflector dish or phasers but if the calculations aren't exact and we don't go that extra mile to make sure everything is done up right we may accidentally rip the atmosphere off your world"

or

"ah funky reactions in your planet core about to world bust? no problem lets just take the yields out of our torpedoes and turn them into funky drills to take off the pressure"

[2046]

Is that really a crater, per se? The way it looks in the image it could be argued that it's just a continent-size smudge suggestive of a large fire radius.

Which, I realize, is a silly argument, but one must anticipate the absolutely retarded when dealing with some people.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Is that really a crater, per se? The way it looks in the image it could be argued that it's just a continent-size smudge suggestive of a large fire radius.

Which, I realize, is a silly argument, but one must anticipate the absolutely retarded when dealing with some people.

The before shot puts paid to that sort of claim i would think:-

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2332 ... eblast.jpg

[mojo]

A football sized device leaving a central crater the diameter of north America does leave a lasting impression....:).

true enough there are allot of moments in star trek and some casual dialog that are pretty crazy for a mid tier sci fi franchise and make the "only capable of KT to MT " level fire power pretty unbelievable a few good examples are

"sure our ship can tow your moon with a little roiding of the tractor beam despite it being tiny by comparison but the problem is the laws of physics kick in and your moon shatters and kills every one us included"

"we can blow it up but that's also a bad idea"


or conversely

"we can totally clean the pollution in your atmosphere up with our deflector dish or phasers but if the calculations aren't exact and we don't go that extra mile to make sure everything is done up right we may accidentally rip the atmosphere off your world"

or

"ah funky reactions in your planet core about to world bust? no problem lets just take the yields out of our torpedoes and turn them into funky drills to take off the pressure"

HAHAHA

[mojo]

admiral
i am desperate to see that first quote, that is f'ing HILARIOUS
ep please?

[Admiral Breetai]

admiral
i am desperate to see that first quote, that is f'ing HILARIOUS
ep please?

it's been awhile since I seen it but from what I recall it's from the ep where woopy goldberg shanks god in the wrist with a salad fork...and he pays them back by making data laugh..Q less or something I think Q less is the name..Mike or mith might have the exact quote

this moons about to plunge into orbit and they are sent there to save it..and Rikers first reaction is "Can I has lunar explosion" and Data reminds the guy that doing that would just cast debris all over the planet killing every one "do you wanna kill da aliens? then no you cannot has lunar explosion"

so then later in the episode Q goerdi and Data are sitting around and I think its Le Forge suggests amping the tractor beam up or something to a high degree and sort of tugging the moon into a stable orbit and Q sort off to the side bitching about being human turns around and lazily reminds him that he's a moron

that while they could totally do it..the moon would logically crack apart bust up the enterprise and reign fragmented death on the residents-which makes me wonder how the hell La Forge and Riker both ended up in command situations considering their solutions involved catastrophic death in pretty awesome ways..(but then again in Kirks era that was a prereq for command so)

the scary part is I don't think Q found anything wrong about his assessment of the ships capabilities or Goerdi's math on the tractor beam or what ever out put just that he couldn't believe a damn chief engineer wouldn't factor in ya know psychics or what ever

there where like allot of casual quotes in that episode that merited a "whhhaaaa??? holly cow!!" type reaction of the kind of power they kept describing being casually doable from what I remember it being one of the episodes that converted me from the warsie debate side when I saw it again years later and was like WTF WOW! (the last time being in childhood when you can't really grasp the magnitude of what they where saying) between that and the die is cast

[Mike DiCenso]

it's been awhile since I seen it but from what I recall it's from the ep where woopy goldberg shanks god in the wrist with a salad fork...and he pays them back by making data laugh..Q less or something I think Q less is the name..Mike or mith might have the exact quote

For Star Trek-related quotes, look them up using Chrissie's Transcripts Site. I'll give you a hlepful hint: the episode you are looking for is called "Deja Q".
-Mike

[Admiral Breetai]

thank you

heres the dialog mojo

riker asks "can I has Lunar explosion" and Data says no he can't has it

DATA: The satellite's trajectory is continuing to deteriorate, Captain. This orbit will put it within five hundred kilometres of the planet surface.
GARIN [on viewscreen]: We're predicting the atmospheric drag will bring it down on the next orbit.
SCIENTIST [on viewscreen]: Have you been able to find any explanation for this?
DATA: No, Doctor. It is a most unusual phenomenon.
PICARD: Won't the moon disintegrate prior to impact?
SCIENTIST [on viewscreen]: No, it has a ferrous crystalline structure and it will be able to withstand tidal forces, Captain
RIKER: Could we blow it into pieces?
DATA: The total mass of the moon would remain the same, Commander, and the impact of thousands of fragments would spread destruction over an even wider area.
PICARD: How long before impact?

the fact that it's an apparently a tough moon seems to be no issue what so ever

LAFORGE: Q, I've got a few people down on Bre'el Four who are going to be hurt
Q: Yes, yes, your marvellous plan will not only tear the moon to pieces but your precious ship as well.

apparently they can create a tractor beam that can tow the moon after suping their main one the hell up..but it would fragment the moon and kill every one...mind you the would of ultimately failed in their goal and killed every one and prior to amping it up..they tried several times to supe the tractor beam up and failed..but this time Q thinks it enough but thats still retarded to try

seems to indicate pretty crazy power generation...generation I've never seen in Wars although I bet the ICS invented something to compensate

thats some impressive power and the casual way they discuss is always what gets me

[Praeothmin]

seems to indicate pretty crazy power generation...generation I've never seen in Wars although I bet the ICS invented something to compensate

Not if we scale down the DS's reactor... :)

[mojo]

admiral
i am desperate to see that first quote, that is f'ing HILARIOUS
ep please?

...woopy goldberg shanks god in the wrist with a salad fork...
...Rikers first reaction is "Can I has lunar explosion" and Data reminds the guy that doing that would just cast debris all over the planet killing every one "do you wanna kill da aliens? then no you cannot has lunar explosion"...
...Q sort off to the side bitching about being human turns around and lazily reminds him that he's a moron ...
...which makes me wonder how the hell La Forge and Riker both ended up in command situations considering their solutions involved catastrophic death in pretty awesome ways
...I don't think Q found anything wrong about his assessment of the ships capabilities or Goerdi's math on the tractor beam or what ever out put just that he couldn't believe a damn chief engineer wouldn't factor in ya know psychics or what ever...

HAHAHAHAHA
i love this guy!

[Lucky]

seems to indicate pretty crazy power generation...generation I've never seen in Wars although I bet the ICS invented something to compensate

Not if we scale down the DS's reactor... :)

What is DS-9's reactor output, and how do we know it?

[2046]

admiral
i am desperate to see that first quote, that is f'ing HILARIOUS
ep please?

...woopy goldberg shanks god in the wrist with a salad fork...
...Rikers first reaction is "Can I has lunar explosion" and Data reminds the guy that doing that would just cast debris all over the planet killing every one "do you wanna kill da aliens? then no you cannot has lunar explosion"...
...Q sort off to the side bitching about being human turns around and lazily reminds him that he's a moron ...
...which makes me wonder how the hell La Forge and Riker both ended up in command situations considering their solutions involved catastrophic death in pretty awesome ways
...I don't think Q found anything wrong about his assessment of the ships capabilities or Goerdi's math on the tractor beam or what ever out put just that he couldn't believe a damn chief engineer wouldn't factor in ya know psychics or what ever...

HAHAHAHAHA
i love this guy!

Seconded, in regards to that post . . . Breetai seems to hide some very good neurons.

I think we all get a little convoluted in our thinking regarding such examples . . . there's nothing quite like having them lolcatted to bring it down to brass tacks.

[Picard]

@Breetai

Nice post.

I hope the kitchen is nearby . . . I hear the Empire's all about green energy, and utilizing the waste heat of turbolasers sounds green to me!

Wow... didn't know Imperials are cooking sauropods for dinner.

Please provide evidence of even a single ship-mounted weapon being used against San Francisco.

Or that there were no planetary shields in place. It might be ground assault or "bleedthrought" damage.

With the huge disparity between hyperdrive and warp drive, Star Wars has a huge strategic and logistical advantage. Star Trek has almost no force projection capabilities to invade the Star Wars galaxy, which would be suicidal to try.

TOS? The Chase?

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

What is DS-9's reactor output, and how do we know it?

It must be pretty impressive considering it powered shields and weapons that held off klingon and dominion fleets for quite some time and the phasers it powered one shotted BOPS as well as cardassian and dominion ships during those fights.

[Lucky]

What is DS-9's reactor output, and how do we know it?

It must be pretty impressive considering it powered shields and weapons that held off klingon and dominion fleets for quite some time and the phasers it powered one shotted BOPS as well as cardassian and dominion ships during those fights.

The problem is you can't really tell how much energy it takes to run the shields and phasers.

I think if you wanted to get an idea of DS-9's reactor out put you could use the projected amount of time it would take for it to move to the wormhole without the use of mass-lightning. That of course would not include the other systems that would be running at the same time however so it would in theory get you a low end figure.