The UFP and The Dominion Vs the GE

[Praeothmin]

The Voyager consisting of what; thousands of crew? get boarded and defeated by a few dozen at most invaders. When aware of the fact that there's an intrusion, redshirts run out into the open without even bothering to check for potential hostiles, and get shot. Then, a bunch of other redshirts find the intruders; who aren't that much smarter themselves, not bothering to have someone stand guard while scanning the bodies, and they start a firefight. The redshirts retreat in an open hallway, ignoring obvious points of cover and instead running and gunning and getting shot.

Actually, as others have pointed out, no.
Voyager started out with 141 crew members, and lost nearly a quarter I believe when the Caretaker took them away.
And could you please state the episodes of which you are referring to?

As for SW:
ANH:
-Stormtroopers blew up a door, and without waiting, without throwing one of their supposed grenades, they started pouring in the door.
Rebels aren't much better, as they kneeled right in the middle of the corridor...
-While looking for the droids they've been following, upon arriving at a locked door, they don't even think that the droids could have gone in and locked the door after entering, and they leave after making sure the door was locked...
-Luke and Han end up blasting their way through everything, and only in the prison did they finally get caught...

TESB:
-While the Rebels have nothing to threaten the Empire with during the assault, the Imperials still waste their time firing at the trenches, instead of concentrating on the incoming sppeders with their AT-AT sand AT-STs, thus losing two walkers to the Rebels' rag-tag force...

RotJ:
-The entire Ewok battle comes to mind... :)

These Star Trek guys in supposedly body armor with phasers got owned by Janeway's crew using their bare hands.

When?
What episode?
Who were the guys?
What was the situation?

Oh, and did I mention that a teenager almost took over the Enterprise?

When?
Would that Teenager happen to be Wesley Crusher, teenage Genious and Gary Stu extraordianire?
And did you forget that R2 was able to hack all the Imperial computers he wanted, anytiome he wanted?
How's that for bad security?

Or that, despite having been spied upon, the Enterprise's crew didn't bother to change their access codes?

When?
What episode?
Who were the guys?
What was the situation?

Since when did they have a chance? When the second Death Star got destroyed the Empire fractured.

But if the total Empire was capable of building 4-5 DSs, then surely one fraction of this Empire could build at least 1, no?

Maybe compared to the rest of Star Trek, but compared to the Empire the Dominion can barely even count as a threat

Considering that the Rebels, a Force that barely had a few hundred ships were indeed a threat, then yes, the Dominion, with it's 30 000+ ships would be, and their capacity proved that they were actually close to G-Canon SW...

Uh, every freaking example of warp drive with one exception? What about the fact that in the dominion war the Federation needed days to get reinforcements a few light years? Or that official warp charts show warp speeds lower than hyperdrive speeds?

How about backing this up with numbers?
Like the fact the E-E, in FC, covered the 100-150 LY from the Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth in less than 30 minutes?
That makes it 1 752 000c to 2 628 000c...

In the War, how many are "a few LY"?
How about some hard numbers?
And the official Warp Charts are not, in any way, Canon, as per Paramount's definitive stand on this issue...

Voyager taking 7 years to cross part of a quadrant despite being helped by god like beings?

We've explained this many times, but you like to ignore this because it's the only example which helps you...
How about AotC, where Geonosis and Tattoine, less than 1 parsec away (3.26LY) is travelled in an hour or so?
That would make it... 28 557c... Wow, impressive... :)

The Voyager had 7 years to refuel.

Oh, right, like if I use a electric car in the middle or Iraq, I'll be able to refuel so easily when my batteries are dead, because Iraq has so many stations to recharge electric cars...
Does "Fuel compatibility issues" mean anything to you?

Again, hyperlanes are not needed for hyperdrive; they're merely recommended.

They were essential to the war effort too, apparently, so they must be pretty important...

[Picard]

The Voyager consisting of what; thousands of crew?[]

so your basically admitting you have never seen a single episode of star trek that's nice

He's probably getting his "info" from SDN.

[Admiral Breetai]

He's probably getting his "info" from SDN.

parroting it to the extent that he is attempting to use it in situations he has no basis to apply it

thousands in voyager..guess it was a zentreadi frigate then or something if it can fit thousands of people

[Nowhereman10]

Yup, looks like another cut and paste job. If the SDNers have this, why isn't there one for the Trek side to make use of and post everytime crap like this comes up?

[Admiral Breetai]

Yup, looks like another cut and paste job. If the SDNers have this, why isn't there one for the Trek side to make use of and post everytime crap like this comes up?

would you honestly want it? I can think of no more dangerous thing to a debater your skills would get all rusty...plus what happens when your arguing against some one who wont play ball and debate things the way that copied argument is made to debate..you end up flipping out-that dreaded realization that your completely incapable of thinking on your own or formulating your own arguments independent of your primary source

plus it stagnates your skills as a debater...don't you think?

[Nowhereman10]

Nah, not really. I call it fighting fire with fire. Did something like that on YouTube and it worked really well. Drove 'em nuts having some ready made answers for their BS.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Actually, as others have pointed out, no.
Voyager started out with 141 crew members, and lost nearly a quarter I believe when the Caretaker took them away.
And could you please state the episodes of which you are referring to?

Star Trek Voyager Deadlock.

As for SW:
ANH:
-Stormtroopers blew up a door, and without waiting, without throwing one of their supposed grenades, they started pouring in the door.

I agree that such was a tactical mistake to not use their grenades...but redshirts literally never use them, so it's even.

Rebels aren't much better, as they kneeled right in the middle of the corridor...

Did you see any cover near them?

-While looking for the droids they've been following, upon arriving at a locked door, they don't even think that the droids could have gone in and locked the door after entering, and they leave after making sure the door was locked...

What? When?

-Luke and Han end up blasting their way through everything, and only in the prison did they finally get caught...

As do Janeway/Picard/Kirk/etc. in almost every episode?

TESB:
-While the Rebels have nothing to threaten the Empire with during the assault, the Imperials still waste their time firing at the trenches, instead of concentrating on the incoming sppeders with their AT-AT sand AT-STs, thus losing two walkers to the Rebels' rag-tag force...

Actually, they did fire quite a bit at the snowspeeders. Granted, they shouldn't have bothered with attacking the trenches, but that is a tactical mistake that modern commanders could make in the heat of battle.

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RotJ:
-The entire Ewok battle comes to mind... :)
[/quote]

Which is special because:

1. It represents a symbol of ingenuity beating tech, something that trekkies fail to realize.
2. It's special in Star Wars because it's a rare example, but in Star Trek it happens so often that it's a regular occurrence.

When?
What episode?
Who were the guys?
What was the situation?

Voyager resistance.

When?
Would that Teenager happen to be Wesley Crusher, teenage Genious and Gary Stu extraordianire?

Mmhmm.

And did you forget that R2 was able to hack all the Imperial computers he wanted, anytiome he wanted?

R2 > a teenager.

How's that for bad security?

You mean the supposedly uber Enterprise security that doesn't change their access codes after a spy has been detected among them?

When?
What episode?
Who were the guys?
What was the situation?

Voyager Deadlock.

But if the total Empire was capable of building 4-5 DSs, then surely one fraction of this Empire could build at least 1, no?

It's not that simple. A remnant of the Empire would not have the technical data, resources or scientific muscle to construct a Death Star in a reasonable amount of time, and the remnants probably finally realized that after it gets blown up 2 times, constructing it again is laughably insane unless if you include some major design changes.

Considering that the Rebels, a Force that barely had a few hundred ships were indeed a threat, then yes, the Dominion, with it's 30 000+ ships would be, and their capacity proved that they were actually close to G-Canon SW...

And the United States Navy of 12 aircraft carriers is enough to curbstomp basically any other navy in the world, so surely the Spanish Armada of hundreds of ships could do the same! Because obviously numbers...uh, oh, there's more to war than numbers! Gasp!

How about backing this up with numbers?
Like the fact the E-E, in FC, covered the 100-150 LY from the Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth in less than 30 minutes?
That makes it 1 752 000c to 2 628 000c...

What about the classic example of Voyager taking 7 years to cross a portion of a quadrant despite having help from god like beings?

In the War, how many are "a few LY"?
How about some hard numbers?
And the official Warp Charts are not, in any way, Canon, as per Paramount's definitive stand on this issue...

Remember that big dominion war battle involving trying to close the wormhole? Before the battle, Sisko and others were commenting on how it would take the Federation days/weeks to get reinforcements, and that they'll have to make due with what they have. If they had Star Wars hyperdrive, reinforcements would have been there in hours.

We've explained this many times, but you like to ignore this because it's the only example which helps you...

Where?

How about AotC, where Geonosis and Tattoine, less than 1 parsec away (3.26LY) is travelled in an hour or so?

Uh, what? Iirc Padme mentioned that it was several parsecs away.

That would make it... 28 557c... Wow, impressive... :)

Actually, that's faster than most showings of warp drive. :)

Oh, right, like if I use a electric car in the middle or Iraq, I'll be able to refuel so easily when my batteries are dead, because Iraq has so many stations to recharge electric cars...
Does "Fuel compatibility issues" mean anything to you?

So the Federation sent Voyager, and advanced starship, into unexplored space for 7 years with no way to refuel or resupply, and no backup plan? How stupid is that?

They were essential to the war effort too, apparently, so they must be pretty important...

Yeah, as are roads in a modern war. Does that mean that cars need roads to travel? No.

[Admiral Breetai]

wait a minute...SWST did you seriously say R2D2 was superior to..friggen Wesley "I become an energy being I'm so special" Crusher...ehhh? whatt??!!! BAHAHAHA oh boy

and nice comparing the USN to the Spanish Armada..you know it'd be more valid if ISD's wheren't barely even with heavier fed and domie ships

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Star Trek Voyager Deadlock.

In deadlock they still have very few crew and are having major power issues, they also get latched onto and boarded by a massive vidian ship.

Which is special because:

1. It represents a symbol of ingenuity beating tech, something that trekkies fail to realize.

That is something that happens in trek a lot, they are always getting one over on more advanced species, but never have stone age 3ft teddy bears defeated them using military force....LOL.

2. It's special in Star Wars because it's a rare example, but in Star Trek it happens so often that it's a regular occurrence.

So you contradicted point 1 about trekkies not understanding it?, also a small group beating a large empire is pretty much the main plot of SW you muppet so its about as regular as you can get.

Voyager resistance.

Making Feds awsome fighters, thanks.

It's not that simple. A remnant of the Empire would not have the technical data, resources or scientific muscle to construct a Death Star in a reasonable amount of time, and the remnants probably finally realized that after it gets blown up 2 times, constructing it again is laughably insane unless if you include some major design changes.

I suppose they could get some runabouts and some weapons from trek, after all trek can do with a shuttle and a torp the same or even more what it took a DS to do in SW anyway.

And the United States Navy of 12 aircraft carriers is enough to curbstomp basically any other navy in the world, so surely the Spanish Armada of hundreds of ships could do the same! Because obviously numbers...uh, oh, there's more to war than numbers! Gasp!

Considering the broadside style of fighting in SW and hasving MANNED heavy and light turrets ect you hit the nail on the head regarding high tech trek and stagnated low tech SW.

So the Federation sent Voyager, and advanced starship, into unexplored space for 7 years with no way to refuel or resupply, and no backup plan? How stupid is that?

Very, but then Voyager was going for a quick mission into the badlands and NOT on a long term mission....that point is made during the episode so maybe you should watch it...

[Praeothmin]

Star Trek Voyager Deadlock.

Ah, so the Redshirts acted like Stormtroopers...

Did you see any cover near them?

How about doorframes?
How about not kneeling in the middle of the corridor, but close to a wall instead?

As do Janeway/Picard/Kirk/etc. in almost every episode?

No, they do not...
And what is cool is, since you did not provide evidence for your claim, I can easily counter it with mine, and not bother providing evidence, unlike what I did with the SW examples...

but that is a tactical mistake that modern commanders could make in the heat of battle.

Not when the trench is tactically unimportant.
Good modern Commanders will take out important objectives, and not waste time with unimportant ones...

1. It represents a symbol of ingenuity beating tech, something that trekkies fail to realize.

It represents an example of Stormtoopers acting stupid because they ran in the forrest in pursuit wothout checking for possible ambush, with no coordination efforts whatsoever.
It represents an example of how weak an AT-ST is, and how weak its weapons are...
At least, the Redshirts get killed by Über aliens bred for war (Dominion), not little teddy bears...

2. It's special in Star Wars because it's a rare example, but in Star Trek it happens so often that it's a regular occurrence.

No, it's not.
It represents exactly the kind of strategies we see the Clone troopers use on Geonosis, Kashyyk, Ryloth:
Run like an idiot at the enemy while presenting a nice Napoleonic battle line and offering your enemies super nice targets...
It's definitely nothing rare...

Voyager resistance.

I still don't see an explanation of the situation.
Did they surprise the enemy, did the enemy have full body armor like Stormtroopers?

R2 > a teenager.

Prove it...
That Teenager created a tractor beam/anti-grav beam as a home science project...
When did R2 do something similar?
That Teenager helped an alien create a stable Warp Field that threw the E-D thousands of LY instantly...
When did R2 do something similar?

You mean the supposedly uber Enterprise security that doesn't change their access codes after a spy has been detected among them?

It could be worse, like an entire moon-sized battlestation whose entire load of servers could not stop one single droid from hacking it...

A remnant of the Empire would not have the technical data, resources or scientific muscle to construct a Death Star in a reasonable amount of time

Really?
Why not?
How small is that remnant?
Why would it no longer have the plans for a DS?
Why didn't the Empire build more than 1 DS after the first one was destroyed?

And the United States Navy of 12 aircraft carriers is enough to curbstomp basically any other navy in the world, so surely the Spanish Armada of hundreds of ships could do the same! Because obviously numbers...uh, oh, there's more to war than numbers! Gasp!

And you've just proven that 12 ST ships could take on a SW armada of hundreds of ships because of the disparity in power.
Thanks... :)

What about the classic example of Voyager taking 7 years to cross a portion of a quadrant despite having help from god like beings?

How about the fact we've explained it to you at least 5-6 times, and you always ignore it?
Let me recap for you:
-Low fuel/energy;
-Travelling at Warp 6, not its maximum speeds to save engine parts which you do not know if you can repair/replace;
-Stupid Captain always tasking detours to explore Nebula/new planet/*insert strange phenomena here*;
-Being constantly attacked and thus needed repairs and thus not being able to maintain max speeds even if they wanted to;
-Having to take detours because of space hazards, and also the Borg;
Now, do you finaly get it?
And, this is 1 example, while there are many more dealing with higher speeds.

How about all the other examples of much higher speeds in ST, like in ST:Gen, when the E-B travelled 3 LY in less than 3 minutes, or 525 600c?
How about some hard numbers or any type of evidence to support your claims for once?

Sisko and others were commenting on how it would take the Federation days/weeks to get reinforcements,

Remember how they needed fleets, not just ships, and how organizing such a fleet could take longer then the travelling time itself?

Iirc Padme mentioned that it was several parsecs away.

Nope, she specifically stated it was less than a Parsec away...

Actually, that's faster than most showings of warp drive. :)

Unproven, you failed to provide examples with hard numbers...

So the Federation sent Voyager, and advanced starship, into unexplored space for 7 years with no way to refuel or resupply, and no backup plan? How stupid is that?

If you've never seen Voyager, just say so.
Don't invent bad excuses or arguments to cover up for your ignorance in this matter.
Voyager was sent in the Badlands, near bajor, 50LY from Earth.
It was thrown in the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker, not by Starfleet...

Yeah, as are roads in a modern war. Does that mean that cars need roads to travel? No.

Thank you, you finally get it...
Have you ever gone at 65 mph ion a dirt road in the middle of the forrest with a Suzuki Swift?

[Admiral Breetai]

I've done off road in the south of Argentina up mountains..and on dirt roads and in the swamps in FL I cannot Imagine an entire damn army having to march supplies resources vehicles and what have you through that nightmare...and yeah man you need friggen roads for smooth transport especially in war time its a logistical nightmare to go off the map even if you have the means to do so

War's have been won simply by going "off road" this is a far more difficult task then you imagine my friend and in space it's more then likely a thousand times more hazardous and dangerous so yeah going off the beaten path aint something the empire would gladly do and any moff who thinks like that would more then likely find himself force choked for reckless endangering resources if it can be avoided

So the Federation sent Voyager, and advanced starship, into unexplored space for 7 years with no way to refuel or resupply, and no backup plan? How stupid is that?

...so you are confessing again that you have never seen voyager? seriously why are you unable to admit this first the thousands of personnel..then this massively incorrect assessment?

Yeah, as are roads in a modern war. Does that mean that cars need roads to travel? No.

oh lord...dude that's just...okay history has been changed when one moron chases bands of rabble..off the beaten path..many many times since the invention of roads and they're use as vital points for transfer and commerce

[User1638]

Let's look at the sides' comparative advantages:

-Empire:
Insanely huge Star Destroyers. I'm talking about the big Eclipse-class ones here, not your local ISD I and II-class. A lot of people on this topic keep implying that the Death Stars were the best, but actually they were not much use in battle, apart from their superlasers. Another thing people here(including me) seem to like is hard data, so here is some for you: Eclipse specs from http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse- ... _Destroyer
Length 17.5 kilometers
Armament Axial superlaser
Heavy laser cannons (550)
Turbolasers (500)
Ion cannons (75)
Tractor beam projectors (100)
Gravity well projectors (10)
This is impressive in itself, but the fighter complement is almost as impressive:
Complement TIE/In interceptors (600)
TIE/sa bombers (96)
All Terrain Armored Transport walkers (100)
Prefabricated garrison bases (5)
Combine this with the fact that it has a crew of 712,645 plus 150,000 troops, and it is extremely formidable. Also, it is far cheaper than the Death Stars. Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have a few dozen of these than one big lumbering Death Star.

Charged plasma-based weapons
Star Trek's shields are build to withstand pure energy weapons such as phasers/photon torpedoes. I doubt that they would be able to block plasma-based weapons, more likely the bolts would either pass through, or impact and possibly cause a feedback surge. That brings me to the next one:

Non-continuous weapons
Star Trek's continuous-beam phasers are prone to having surges sent back along them. I am thinking of Voyager: Drone (S.5 Ep.2) where the Borg invert Voyager's phaser beam and essentially blow out the emitter. Granted, SW may not have the ability to do this, but in any case ST can't do it to them. The exception, of course, is the superlasers and planetary bombardment cannons.

Okay, Starfleet/Dominion:
Major advantage: Antimatter-based torpedoes. This in itself would be enough to challenge the Death Star, as one 2' x 1.5' x 6' torpedo can contain enough antimatter to annihilate a planet, let alone a starship. (this is based on the actual physical properties of antimatter, E = mc^2) And these are just your ordinary photon torpedoes, to say nothing of the Enterprise-E's quantum torpedoes or the Dominion's polaron torpedoes. Compare this to SW's proton torpedoes, which are stated in the Incredible Cross-Sections series(canon) to be thermonuclear-based. Wow, gigantic difference in power. This also means that ST's shields are engineered to resist those antimatter weapons, so a nuke would seem like a laugh. Oh, to top it off, Starfleet has the capability to manufacture Omega particles (1 Omega particle = 1 warp core full of antimatter--Voyager: The Omega Directive, S.4 Ep.21). Yowch.

Other big advantage:
Starfleet most likely has the capability to reverse-engineer the 29th-century technology that Voyager brought home (mobile emitter), as the Borg drone did in Voyager: Drone. 29th-century Starfleet, from what we saw in Relativity, Drone, and Future's End, is incredibly advanced and probably has far better shields/armor/weapons/warp capabilities.

And last, but certainly not least...the transporter!
24th century starfleet can transport objects, people, or whatever through many types of shields, or simply take out the shield generators. Imagine: beam an antimatter warhead onto the bridge of a Star destroyer....BAM! The Empire is missing another expensive piece of hardware. The possibilities are endless...beam all the stormtroopers into space, beam cloaked founders onto enemy ships, etc.

Okay, this was long, but it is still not an exhaustive list, just what I could think of off the top of my head. Btw I am a huge fan of both series, and love to try to logically figure out who would win.

Live Long and Prosper, and May the Force be with you.

[Admiral Breetai]

The Dominion should have experience in dealing with plasma based weaponry the feds certainly do...seeing as the Romulans used it and the klingons seemed to rotate between plasmic weaponry and AM based torps over the centuries

[Picard]

wait a minute...SWST did you seriously say R2D2 was superior to..friggen Wesley "I become an energy being I'm so special" Crusher...ehhh? whatt??!!! BAHAHAHA oh boy

and nice comparing the USN to the Spanish Armada..you know it'd be more valid if ISD's wheren't barely even with lighter fed and domie ships

Corrected.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Ah, so the Redshirts acted like Stormtroopers...

Far worse; a redshirt crew of dozens consistently get their asses kicked by some random intruders that get on board the ship, and the tactics they use are so bad...well, it makes the stormtroopers look competent in comparison. At least stormtroopers had sophisticated equipment and the ability to take cover.

How about doorframes?
How about not kneeling in the middle of the corridor, but close to a wall instead?

What? So you're suggesting that they all kneel next to the wall, thus meaning that only the troopers in front would have an unobstructed line of sight?

No, they do not...
And what is cool is, since you did not provide evidence for your claim, I can easily counter it with mine, and not bother providing evidence, unlike what I did with the SW examples...

I already provided an example; Voyager Resistance. You should also be well aware of klingon blade weapons tactics.

Not when the trench is tactically unimportant.
Good modern Commanders will take out important objectives, and not waste time with unimportant ones...

The imperial forces intended to storm Echo base by foot. Such a task would require the use of snowtroopers that very well would be under fire from Rebel positions.

It represents an example of Stormtoopers acting stupid because they ran in the forrest in pursuit wothout checking for possible ambush, with no coordination efforts whatsoever.
It represents an example of how weak an AT-ST is, and how weak its weapons are...
At least, the Redshirts get killed by Über aliens bred for war (Dominion), not little teddy bears...

Redshirts get beaten all the time by comparatively medieval tactics, weapons and troopers, it's just that it happens so often that any fuss is minimal, and the people killing the redshirts are humanoid and fully grown rather than "teddy bears", and that makes all the difference in the shallow and superficial eyes of pro Trek debaters.

No, it's not.
It represents exactly the kind of strategies we see the Clone troopers use on Geonosis, Kashyyk, Ryloth:
Run like an idiot at the enemy while presenting a nice Napoleonic battle line and offering your enemies super nice targets...
It's definitely nothing rare...

Are you honestly going to claim that redshirts ever use competent tactics? That them sending down a chief engineer to recon a dark cavern...using flashlights instead of, you know, night vision, is in any way reminiscent of using their brains?

I still don't see an explanation of the situation.
Did they surprise the enemy, did the enemy have full body armor like Stormtroopers?

No, yes.

Prove it...
That Teenager created a tractor beam/anti-grav beam as a home science project...
When did R2 do something similar?
That Teenager helped an alien create a stable Warp Field that threw the E-D thousands of LY instantly...
When did R2 do something similar?

Because all of your examples are irrelevant to the context of hacking?

It could be worse, like an entire moon-sized battlestation whose entire load of servers could not stop one single droid from hacking it...

At least it had security systems, whereas the Enterprise can be hacked and taken over by a teenager, who, however smart he is, did so casually with little resistance.

Really?
Why not?
How small is that remnant?
Why would it no longer have the plans for a DS?
Why didn't the Empire build more than 1 DS after the first one was destroyed?

The Remnant, even before the New Republic took Coruscant, was fractured and fought amongst eachother. They lacked the cohesion or resources (as they were losing planets consistently to the fledgling New Republic) to build a new death star.

Perhaps they finally learned their lesson, however, after their first two death stars were destroyed.

And you've just proven that 12 ST ships could take on a SW armada of hundreds of ships because of the disparity in power.
Thanks... :)

Obviously, you, either intentionally or unintentionally, miss the point of my statement.

How about the fact we've explained it to you at least 5-6 times, and you always ignore it?
Let me recap for you:
-Low fuel/energy;

Bull; if the Voyager was down on fuel/energy, why would it spend time every other day stopping to view every random phenomena?

-Travelling at Warp 6, not its maximum speeds to save engine parts which you do not know if you can repair/replace;

Save what engine parts? Are you postulating that >warp 6 speeds will damage or deplete engine parts?

-Stupid Captain always tasking detours to explore Nebula/new planet/*insert strange phenomena here*;

There's then the question as to why Starfleet trusted Janeway with their premier starship.

-Being constantly attacked and thus needed repairs and thus not being able to maintain max speeds even if they wanted to;

Evidence needed.

-Having to take detours because of space hazards, and also the Borg;
Now, do you finaly get it?
And, this is 1 example, while there are many more dealing with higher speeds.

Those detours lasted...what, a few days?

How about all the other examples of much higher speeds in ST, like in ST:Gen, when the E-B travelled 3 LY in less than 3 minutes, or 525 600c?
How about some hard numbers or any type of evidence to support your claims for once?

Hey, 525,600 C is almost 1/20th of Star Wars hyperdrive speeds!

Remember how they needed fleets, not just ships, and how organizing such a fleet could take longer then the travelling time itself?

Nonsense; the dominion war had been going on for quite some time, all their fleets would logically be mobilized.

Nope, she specifically stated it was less than a Parsec away...

Ah, that's true. And?

Unproven, you failed to provide examples with hard numbers...

You mean the official warp chart made by Paramount, which clearly shows that most sustainable warp speeds do not break 10,000 C?

If you've never seen Voyager, just say so.
Don't invent bad excuses or arguments to cover up for your ignorance in this matter.
Voyager was sent in the Badlands, near bajor, 50LY from Earth.
It was thrown in the Delta Quadrant by the Caretaker, not by Starfleet...

You're right, sorry, I did not see the beginning episodes of Voyager. However, the question still remains as to, if the Voyager was down on fuel and energy as you claim without evidence, why a fully fueled and prepped ship could not have been sent over to intercept it.

Thank you, you finally get it...
Have you ever gone at 65 mph ion a dirt road in the middle of the forrest with a Suzuki Swift?

No, but I sure bet that one can do so faster than one can walk such a distance (which is actually lesser than the proportional different in speed between hyperdrive and warp).