Admiral Breetai wrote:
you continue to miss my point entirely..about why your math is invalid it seems
Actually, when questioned why, you said that you didn't need to say why, because it was unusuable, which is one of the most embarrassing rebuttals ever said in a vs debate. You said that my math isn't objective. Prove it, or concede.
I haven't seen an argument..I've seen a temper tantrum
Prove it. You haven't proven anything.
the clone wars movie makes mention of many hundreds of thousands of systems..yet they can't even come close to matching the fleet sizes seen through out the Dominion War..with the battle of coruscant being the only one
Yet the Battle of Coruscant is still an example, and it matches the dominion war's numbers, only that the ships in the Battle of Coruscant and far larger.
the movies never provided a population number for coruscant so back that up with film quotes or..let silence reign
The novels mention "trillions of beings".
an Eu metal not applicable to the debate
It's shown in primary canon, aka the skyscrapers. Sure, the name "durasteel" isn't given, but the exact name is irrelevant. The fact is that it's strong enough to hold the weight of km long skyscrapers.
really? it could of easily taken thousands of years we literally have nothing from the moving backing up this was done instantly and if you wanna ramble about industrial might try instantly resurrecting dead stars and creating earth like planets out of dead husks inside of months/years
Given that the buildings are modern, the construction of the recent buildings could not have been so long ago. Otherwise, it would be like the United States having constructed its skyscrapers hundreds of years ago.
Not to mention that they'd have to have been able to maintain them.
such a terrible drain on their economy seeing as they cannot even field..more then a few thousand vessels at most (note nothing in the movies supports this number) and a quarter of a million battle ready clones was considered a grand army
Show me a single Star Trek battle, if you can, of a few thousand vessels with masses approaching star destroyers. You can't.
yeah totally ignore the fact that replicators do inside of a few hours/days..what massive factories like we see in the capital and mustafar are needed for
Bullshit. Replicators can make small things like coffee and such, but they can't construct spaceships. If you think they can, prove it. Show evidence.
when you can fabricate out of thin air so to speak virtually everything you need outside of a few rare materials...this is not needed
Yes it is, because we've seen that replicators cannot replicate anything more complex than a cup of coffee or larger than...a household object.
and most of those colonies have populations in the high billions..
Prove it.
where as we have only seen on screen worlds in wars that seem sparsely populated with words like Nabuu and the Imperial capital being..minorities again backed up by the movies..
Coruscant is so crowded that it fills up kms of vertical traffic that makes New York City seem like Canada. Basically, it's an entire planet surface with each inch being literally hundreds of times more busy than New York City.
we can go by destructive feats...the damage done by ST weapon fire that we can see vs wars..
Provide evidence please.
and yet time and time again...nothing in wars has even come close to the size of the Dominion or Fed fleets
Except that you admitted that the Battle of Coruscant approaches them. In fact, given that the battle was a surprise, with both sides only being able to muster what they could gather on a whim, and that the ships were far larger than Star Trek ships, this is more impressive than the dominion battles.
1, they can blow it to a million pieces..seeing as their ships actually have on panel..feats as it where suggesting world killing might and at no point in the movies did the DS ever survive that
Yes, the Death Star could. It was within, from a space perspective, point blank range of the Alderaan destruction event, and yet was unaffected by the astronomical amounts of energy and debris hitting it.
2, your joking? they can target individual people on planets and fire cap ship weapons on them..scan for life sings and bacteria from just entering planetary orbit..and in some cases...from another solar system
Prove it, and then explain why the couldn't detect a massive colony of 100,000 people.
seeing as you keep referring to "star trek" I'm going to go ahead and assume you mean the entire damn Milky way the Empires fighting..through Dominion Voth and Borg space...and you better adjust your little pet theories
You mean the same borg that only bother to send one borg cube at a time? Oh.
they don't need it...considering a cap ship can take out individuals from orbit..
Prove it, and explain why the protagonists don't always use this to take out the baddies instead of beaming down and having firefights with them.
but I'll give you the body armor thing thats ret-oh wait no they do have body armor..we saw it in TOS never mind
You mean the body armor that can't stop knives, phasers or much of anything?
because in all six movies republic commandos and storm troopers..totally showed genius tactics..oh wait no they didn't
As moronic as Star Wars tactics may be, they're still better than Star Trek tactics, which are an embarrassment to the military doctrine acquired throughout mankind's relatively bloody history. It's like Star Trek humanity gained amnesia and forgot everything about military tactics, so that their tactics got so bad that even movie starship troopers could defeat them. Heck, even LA street gangs might be able to defeat redshirts. They're just that bad.
no they aren't in the primary canon you have..freaken Gungans a teen aged princess who as far as we saw never handled a weapon professionally in her life..some droids..some pilots and a pair of Jedi...we have friggen wookies and of course...the dumb ass who thought allowing fighters eventually lead by a hillbilly farmboy with zero combat experience to get through the DS defenses and frag up its defenses
More lies. Leia was a Force sensitive that got training in blasters. So did Like, who, contrary to your claims of being a hillbilly farmboy, was brave enough to take on Vader in personal combat, take out an AT-AT on his own and talk shit to the emperor.
and of course the Ewoks and judging by the end of the movie..the empire being utterly helpless to do anything to stop mass protests and parties once the Kentucky fried Sith and the seven foot tall cry baby..got axed
Which is completely irrelevant, isn't it?
you mean by super powerful cyborgs...genetically engineered superman...a race of genetically engineered crack addicted homicidal maniacs or...Klingons noted as being several times stronger then humans..or near immortal aliens who's own bodily fluids are so aggressive they kill the person exposed to them?
On the contrary, starfleet engineering officers with no hand to hand combat training routinely take out guys in body armor with phasers. Guess what? Those guys in body armor with phasers often times have the element of surprise, and superior numbers!
And this doesn't just happen once; it happens virtually all the freaking time! So much that klingons charge into combat with knives and actually win!
In fact, there many instances in which a guy gets hit center of mass at point blank range in the chest with a phaser and is only mildly injured.
There are other cases of phasers hitting unarmored redshirts and literally failing to penetrate their uniforms. Literally. They made no holes at all. They couldn't penetrate freaking pajamas.
i mean outside of a few instances that can be justified and a few that can't Star Wars beats them firmly in stupid combat engagements
A few? You mean every single season, and happening every few episodes?
There are examples of a few thugs with phasers taking on and capturing the most advanced ship in the fleet, aka the Enterprise. Or a teenager taking over the ship. Or the Voyager crew being too stupid to change access codes after being spied on. Or being too stupid to use protection after a crew member gets infected.
The stupidity continues. Upon making first contact with an alien race, Archer tells them where to find Earth. How beyond fucking stupid? It's like meeting a stranger and telling them where you live and where your kid goes to school. It's fucking insane.
and in other episodes phaser overloads blow up buildings come off like damn RPG's and what have you
But according to you, only consistent showings matter. There are other examples of overloaded phasers making hand grenade size explosions.
That being said, I'm calling bullshit on that. Show me an example of phaser overload blowing up buildings.
you really are hell bent on continuing this exorcise in sillyness huh? your personal need to prove Star Wars ubberz all is such that you have to continue this self indulgent arrogant tirade?
The fact is that, Star Wars has to have a larger industrial base than Star Trek just in order to survive in universe. Why? Because they'd have to be able to feed, supply and entertain trillions/quadrillions of beings across millions of planets and maintain km tall skyscrapers. Their industrial base HAS to be massive, or otherwise they would have died out.
However, you still haven't given proof as to how my math isn't objective. You made the claim. Prove it.
