Galaxy-Class & ISD Weaponry

[Mith]

Starfleet's main purpose may have been exploration, but they were still the Federation's military force. The fact that they consistantly downplay that, even to the lengths of classifying the Galaxy-class (Their most powerful and heavily armed ship class at the time of it's launch) solely as an exploration vessel speaks volumes.

Yes, that they're very peaceful. They don't think in the terms of a military group, because they are not soldiers, they are scientists with combat training. At best, you might consider them security officers, which is why their combat training are sub-par compared to what we might see with real military personal.

We see that when they want to be violant, that they can be really effective about it. The Die is Cast, For the Uniform, Broken Link, The Chase, The Immunity Syndrome, A Taste of Armageddon, Scorpion, and Obsession all show examples where a starship has caused massive amounts of damage or used incredibly powerful weapons to either defeat the enemy, or win the day in some manner.

I never said that they didn't have confidence in their ship or it's capabilities, you silly person.

You seem to be suggesting that since they name their ships "explorers" rather than "BIG ASS DREADNOUGHT!!1" that they must be weak, rather than doing a little something we call "being subtle".

To put it simply, the Federation is like Picard. For the most part, he seems like a old man who would go to any lengths to come to a peaceful agreement rather than conflict, and this is true. You may think he's a weak old man with nothing to offer in terms of a fight...but you'd be a fool. Remember that episode where Picard was stuck on the ship with a bunch of guys looking to sell a bomb from the ship's waste materials? In that episode Picard led one man into a the sweep, thus killing him. Shot another man with a poisoned crossbow bolt, left another unconscious man for dead, and when the woman didn't give up her evil plan, he managed to sneak the device off the container that prevented it from going boom, and then watched as her ship was turned into an expanding fireball.

That is the Federation. Even if you are able to outmuscle them, they'll outfox you. Often using some sort of technobabble weapon that's more powerful than any conventinal weapon.

[Jasonb]

It also depends on how They use what they have. Galaxy class starship using it main deflector dish as a weapon migth will be able destory ISD easily. Does Galaxy class starship used normal weapon will. Little bit of luck to does ISD have few lucky shots.

[Roondar]

It also depends on how They use what they have. Galaxy class starship using it main deflector dish as a weapon migth will be able destory ISD easily. Does Galaxy class starship used normal weapon will. Little bit of luck to does ISD have few lucky shots.

The deflector dish as a weapon has its share of (big) problems, the least of which is that we have no way of quantifying just how hard it would hit.

[Jasonb]

I known at least one way to find out how hard of a hit Galaxy class navigational deflector dish would if used weapons against ISD. Because we known if Galaxy class starship use deflector dish in normal rang. It destroy the Galaxy class starships with shock wave accord star terk best of both worlds part 1 or least USS Enterprise D at the time. You also need to known how much energy it would take to destroy Galaxy class starship. You also need times it by distance because some energy would get lost before it hit the Galaxy class starship. I sadly do not know the law energy to be able to do this kind math. So yes I do not known now but I sure I will find out just you wait.

[Mike DiCenso]

I've already done the calculations for approximately how much energy it would take to vaporize a GCS stardrive in this thread here, which also happens to be a good indicator of the power generation capabilities of the ship and how much antimatter and matter are being annihilated in the warpcore. So assuming the ship is merely built of conventional iron or steel, it would require nearly 4 gigatons. This is only a minimum as the ship is made of materials known to be far more durable than mere iron or steel and the calculations are only for the exact amount of energy required to vaporize the stardrive. They do not take into account the excess energy required to severely damage the U.S.S. Yamato's saucer section, or knock the E-D saucer section out of orbit.
-Mike

[Jasonb]

Galaxy-Class starship using it navigational deflector dish as weapon would send more then 3.98 gigations of energy hitting a poor star destroyer. It would at least if give it heavy damage if not destroy it all together.

[Mike DiCenso]

Why do you think that 3.98 gigatons would be enough to severely damage or destroy any star destroyer?
-Mike

[Jasonb]

Galaxy class starship Navigational deflector dish .It is going only hit very smell part of Star Destroyer shields. We most remember one star destroyer is more then thirteen times the size of a Galaxy class starship. Most star destroyer shields would shield would be at full strong only smell amount would have been knock out. But because the Galaxy class starship navigational defector dish is fire a beam would be hitting the star destroyer blast in less ten seconds most likely 5 to 7 second most ten. While it might not destroy the star destroyer it would do lot damage before Galaxy class starship force stop using weapon because would destroy Galaxy class starship if it was used this weapon for to long. However I could easy be wrong on this.

[Mike DiCenso]

You still haven't really answered the question, Jason. Why is 4.98 gigatons sufficent, regardless of surface area, to penetrate any SD's shields and damage or destroy it? Are you trying to suggest that relatively high power and a highly coherent beam are enough?
-Mike

[Jasonb]

I am suggest that relatively high power and a highly coherent beam are enough. Even though I could easily be wrong.

[Mike DiCenso]

Okay, we'll go with that as your thesis. Now, what proof can you offer that it is valid?
-Mike

[Jasonb]

Star destoryer.net less then 3 seconds of phaser beams are equal more energy than a maximum-yield photon torpedo it take 1,000 photon torpedoes knock out star destroyer shields. According to GEORDI in the Best of both worlds there was 2% power drop power thought out the Borg cube at high narrow band phaser frequency. Geordi also said that if we could hit the Borg cube with the same frequency I mean more phaser or photon torpedoes could ever do. 2% time 50% =100% So it mean Navigational deflector dish would have be able give same amount energy as 50 phasers at that frequency or about 25 photon torpedoes at that frequency is per a second. In 20 seconds it would be like hit a Star destroyer with 500 photon torpedoes. That about half the amount needs to take out all of the Star destroyer shields. Galaxy class starship would not need to take out half shields .If hole shields only 10% the Galaxy class starship navigational defector dish being hit the hull the Star Destroyer.

[Mike DiCenso]

I'am not really able to follow your reasoning here. For instance, what exactly is it that you are citing on Stardestroyer.net for an (presumably) ISD's shield strength? Also how do you derive that the 2% power drop is a linear function?
-Mike

[Jasonb]

I mean ISD's shield strength. Forgive me for got it wrong forget 25 photon torpedoes = Navigational deflector dish used per sec as a weapon. It would have to be much more powerful then that. It would have to be much greater fire power then all photon torpedoes put together on USS Enterprise D. Other wise USS Enterprise D just easily just could beam them on to the Borg cube set them off. It would have been a lot less risk for USS Enterprise to do that then try use Navigational Defector dish as weapon.

[Picard]

I made comparation using Darkstar's website:

Maximum weapons range (against capital ships):
ISD-5 000 km
GCS-300 000 km (taken from Nebula-class weapons range in TNG episode "Wounded")

Maximum energy weapons power:
ISD-1.5 megatons per shot
GCS-4.2 gigatons per second

Maximum torpedo weapons power:
ISD-none
GCS-100 megatons normal; 500 megatons maximum seen (up to 1.4 GT torpedoes are seen in Voyager)

Maximum shield strength:
ISD: 100 megatons
GCS: 1 - 14 GT (if we take GCS combat shields can withstand 10 torpedoes; possibly up to 126 GT - Constitution class shields were able to withstand 90 photon torpedoes at once in TOS)