Left or Right, Conservative or Liberal?

[Trinoya]

I'm an athoritarian liberal (communist).

Iraq War: stay until the Iraq government formally asks us to leave or until such time as they are able to maintain a stable infrastructure.

Immigration: Keep em if you make it a law that all immigrants must be granted the rights and wages of normal workers (take that slave labor) that way compannies will basically choose to employ the better educated (generally non immigrant) workers who understand english. Otherwise, kick them out, they are leeching and not contributing to the nation in any serious positive manner with the possible exception of genetic diversity...

And that's debatable... ^_-

Communism or capitalism? Communism, but I'm not foolhardy enough to think it will work on Earth any day soon... but in a perfect world.... Communism. Right now, I believe that capitalism has a very good place in the world and in general I'm not opposed to it, although it does make for some questionable business practices (like employing illegal immigrants).

Taxes: I'm very split... the end all be all of it is that some of them need to be raised and some of them need to be lowered (in a perfect world). Personally the abolishment of some taxes would be nice. At the end of the day I'll vote lower, but only because the taxes that should be lowered FAR outweight the number that should be raised.

Media: I always attempt to find as nutural an outside source as possible. I do frequent CNN a lot since they seem to run current news far more quickly than other stations, but in general I try my best to get a well rounded veiw from a lot of different sources. For awhile I went to history channel for my news back during 9/11.... what with everyone still running 9/11 stories in january...

It was faster. ^_^

So yeah, I'm very liberal to most economic policies and to the poor man.. but only OUR poor men. I'm a firm believer in doing what you start, and everyone contributing to the whole, but I'm also not an idiot and understand that we do not, in fact, live in a perfect world.

[CrippledVulture]

I expected something a lot closer to my own views to be the prevailing sentiment. I guess that's because I grew up with a small, isolated group of Trekkie friends with similar political views.

[GStone]

(If specific example cases would help, consider the following:

Iraq War: leave or stay?

Immigration: Kick 'em out or keep 'em?

Communism or capitalism?

Taxes: Raise or lower?

Media: Liberal bias, or good, or Conservative bias?

I'm not really looking for a debate, though that's up to JMS . . . this is just a survey of where people stand in the spectrum.)

And what of you, Mr. Rt 66? :-P Where do you stand?

[Flectarn]

Registered Green Independent.

'nuff said

[Tyralak]

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[Airlocke_Jedi_Knight]

I suppose that I am probably liberal, but a somewhat conservative liberal.

I think that the Iraq war was unjust, yet at this point, with the unstable government that we have in place, that we should remain where we are.

Generally speaking, I say to let the illegals stay put, but to force them to obtain citizenship. I don't think that is too much to ask.

I would say that I probably support an economy that is in between capitalism and socialism. Communism just doesn't work in practice, however good it looks on paper.

Taxes need to be raised for the wealthy and lowered for the middle and lower classes(minimally lowered), along with an increased drug tax. i.e. alcohol, cigarettes, pain medicines, prescriptions...

The media is liberally biased in some areas, and conservatively biased in others. Unbiased media is a true rarity. I am studying Journalism at the moment, and I believe that I may be too unbiased for my own good.

I have many, many, liberal views, but I also I have a few conservative views and the ability to see the situation clearly and to choose what I believe to be the best solution regardless of the political school of thought that solution may be tied to.

[Flectarn]

Hard right Libertarian. I'd urge all of you to take the test. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Here's mine: http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-4.00

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=984

[PunkMaister]

IMO, while the SDN population tends to be militant in all regards, Mike Wong isn't very liberal on the political spectrum, either in classic terms or in stereotypical terms.

Bear in mind:

• Strong militaristic leanings.
• Favors unfettered capitalism.
• Complains loudly about every little fashion in which the Federation appears even a little bit socialist.
• Holds up as somehow "good" the Empire in Star Wars, which is mostly modeled on Nazi Germany (a peculiar form of pseudoscience-loving extremist right-wing authoritarianism) with a few sprinklings of the Soviet Union (an equally peculiar corrupt morass of left-wing authoritarian bureaucracy) thrown in for good measure.

Perhaps an extremist, but not nearly as liberal as he could be - and so by extension the SDN community's marked tendency to be close to Mr. Wong's views means to me that SDN is not far left.

Actually if you ever look at the politics board there I'd say the opposite is true I think you are basing your argument on how they behave when it comes to ASVS issues and that's the WRONG way to look at it. An honest mistake. I always thought Trekkies were pretty conservative and libertarian and quite the opposite is true and the same goes for most Warsies. The fact that they are on opposite camps in the Vs debate does not mean they are also on opposite sides when it comes to their political ideology in fact in many cases they share the same political values.

Now having said that I'm a conservative libertarian myself

So here it goes:

1. Iraq leave leaving as stable a government as is possible in that region anyway and always keep the option of returning teeth bared if they become a source of trouble EG become another Afganistan.

2. Immigration: Given the fact that my Grandfather was a legal naturalized immigrant from the Dominican Republic when he came to the Island. It infuriates me to no end that illegals keep asking for privileges they ought not to have. Deport the illegals and if they want to come here do it legally and thru proper channels darn it!

3. Taxes: I think the government should cut it's own fat as much as possible as in no juicy salaries for Governors, Senators Congress members whoever if they are given cars, diets the works to hell with that, let them use their own darn cars like the rest of us or get a Bike hey I use one and they work ;)

Did I miss anything?

[Narsil]

Iraq War: leave or stay?

Withdraw while picking up as many pieces as we can in the process. In an ideal world, it wouldn't have happened in the first place as there was no reason for it.

Immigration: Kick 'em out or keep 'em?

Keep them, but try to integrate them with the average populace as they'll just generate minority communities otherwise. And that's just a stealth form of Apartheid; try to promote integration and intermixing of both the native and immigrant populations and what you get is one community that has a lot (but not everything) in common rather than a whole lot of self segregated ethnic communities with nothing in common.

Don't promote tolerance, in short. Promote acceptance.

Communism or capitalism?

Restrained capitalism, achieved via socialism. A capitalist economy is quite necessary, but an unfettered capitalist economy has caused several big problems. Hopefully people will realise that given the recent economic crisis being caused by short-sighted economic liberalism.

Taxes: Raise or lower?

Tax the rich, feed the poor. The rich can afford it.

Media: Liberal bias, or good, or Conservative bias?

It depends entirely on the media, and in which country. No one on this earth could possibly argue that Fox News is liberal, for instance. Most of the British newspapers have a right-wing bias, though the Guardian and Independent are often considered to be Labour newspapers. That most news media is actually owned by Rupert Murdoch, a man who's known widely for expressing his own opinions via executive meddling in what gets shown and how it's shown, I'm reckoning that most of the media is in fact suffering from a conservative bias. Specifically Rupert Murdoch's conservative bias.

[Roondar]

3. Taxes: I think the government should cut it's own fat as much as possible as in no juicy salaries for Governors, Senators Congress members whoever if they are given cars, diets the works to hell with that, let them use their own darn cars like the rest of us or get a Bike hey I use one and they work ;)

To be fair, most governers etc don't actually make all that much money if you compare them with other people in leadership positions. Well, at least over in my country they don't (general manager bigish company: easilly above a million euro's a year, prime minister: about 130.000). And lots of jobs give you a 'free' car :P

Anyway, to answer the questions:

Iraq:

While it's really none of my business because my country is not actually in Iraq, I think leaving would probably be the best idea in the long run - ideally making sure that the Iraqi people can take care of their state security and the like on their own first.

Immigration:

Depends. I dislike people trying to abuse the system and get a free lunch and some immigrants seem to do just that. On the other hand, as far as I can see most immigrants do jobs that the 'natives' no longer wish to do (and certainly not for that pay). I'm not so sure this is a 100% bad thing. Me = undecided.

But one things is certain - if they do come, they will have to be integrated into soceity and not run their own little groups.

Communism vs Capitalism and Taxes:

See Narsils post. Quite close to how I feel.

Media:

Biased in every direction. I'd love to get a neutral channel that just reports things as they are. Sadly no such thing exists.

[consequences]

Taxes need to be raised for the wealthy and lowered for the middle and lower classes(minimally lowered), along with an increased drug tax. i.e. alcohol, cigarettes, pain medicines, prescriptions...

The bolded I find completely unsupportable, having had to drop a couple hundred bucks for a single prescription...with insurance. Hefty freaking highest rate government employee insurance.

As far as the OP goes:

Iraq, leave when we're asked.

Immigration, keep, integrate, make fully productive.

Does free market communism make any sense as an answer? Essentially, I think the free market should handle business and production, and the government should handle essential services, and making sure that the free market doesn't cause the complete collapse of society when it screws up.

Taxes: Raise. Maybe not this instant because of the current situation, but we've tried the EE Doc Smith method of encouraging growth and higher revenues by lowering taxes, and look where we are now.

Media: Serious conservative bias. To the point of essentially being free advertising for Republicans to complain. This is without Fox News which deserves to be in a category all its own, since they will blatantly contradict themselves and perform the same actions they decry as reprehensible... within the space of a single segment.

[PunkMaister]

3. Taxes: I think the government should cut it's own fat as much as possible as in no juicy salaries for Governors, Senators Congress members whoever if they are given cars, diets the works to hell with that, let them use their own darn cars like the rest of us or get a Bike hey I use one and they work ;)

To be fair, most governers etc don't actually make all that much money if you compare them with other people in leadership positions. Well, at least over in my country they don't (general manager bigish company: easilly above a million euro's a year, prime minister: about 130.000). And lots of jobs give you a 'free' car :P

Keyword here being your country not mine, over here the beefiest salaries come from Government positions.