Clone Wars CGI Series

l33telboi · Post by **l33telboi** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:28 pm

Praeothmin wrote:More nonsense:
When Anakin's wing of Y-Wings try to get above the Ion pulse, as soon as the damaged Y-Wing's engine goes out, it starts going backwards, as if it was falling... in space... when it should've just stopped accelerating and continued on at the same speed... O_O!

Well that is pretty much how it would look if the other ships keep accelerating but one stops.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:16 pm

l33telboi wrote:Well that is pretty much how it would look if the other ships keep accelerating but one stops.

But that's just it, it doesn't stop accelerating, or even just stop there, it starts moving backwards (you can notice this by looking at the background during the scene)...

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:52 pm

Praeothmin wrote:
l33telboi wrote:Well that is pretty much how it would look if the other ships keep accelerating but one stops.
But that's just it, it doesn't stop accelerating, or even just stop there, it starts moving backwards (you can notice this by looking at the background during the scene)...

That's a trick due to the camera moving up, but slower than the fighters.
Relative to the camera, the destroyed Y-wing, can't keep up with the acceleration.
Even the ejected debris seem to give the impression that the ship is falling, only because debris are ejected forward and healthy Y-wings keep accelerating.

What's most pathetic is how they cannot even properly evade, nor outrun a slow moving multi-hundred meters wide pancake.

Really, globally I don't think this is good material to look at. I think I'll stick with the dialogue. The aims are ludicrously bad, even at distances of ten meters, and that applies to clones who are supposed super badass in comparison.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:41 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote: What's most pathetic is how they cannot even properly evade, nor outrun a slow moving multi-hundred meters wide pancake.

Well, in fairness to the Republic cruisers, the ion bolt had expanded to well over a kilometer wide when it hit them. But yes, in comparison to the Romulan's plasma torpedo seen "Balance of Terror", which moved at high-warp velocities, and could track a target even when fired off-axis, the Malevolence fired ion bolts are just pathetic.

Mr. Oragahn wrote: Really, globally I don't think this is good material to look at. I think I'll stick with the dialogue. The aims are ludicrously bad, even at distances of ten meters, and that applies to clones who are supposed super badass in comparison.

At least some of the writers for TCW are making some fun of this, like the battle droid on the Malevolence's bridge who noted in frustration: "I still can't seem to hit anything!"
-Mike

l33telboi · Post by **l33telboi** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:00 pm

Just re-watched the DVD of the movie and I noticed something I didn't notice before. You know that scene where a Venator engages vulture droids inside an atmosphere? Well, as it turns out, it was also slugging it out with a Munificent-class Frigate. A bit odd considering the lack of nuclear like effects, no?

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:03 pm

Great catch there, l33telboi! This time they can't get away with the dialed down settings excuse. Warsies might try invoking neutrino sinks.
-Mike

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:19 pm

Oh another thing, are there any flak bursts visible in that battle? If there are, it might give us a clue as to their nature since they are going off inside a planet's atmosphere as opposed to airless space.
-Mike

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:47 am

l33telboi wrote:Just re-watched the DVD of the movie and I noticed something I didn't notice before. You know that scene where a Venator engages vulture droids inside an atmosphere? Well, as it turns out, it was also slugging it out with a Munificent-class Frigate. A bit odd considering the lack of nuclear like effects, no?

I mentioned it in the ICS thread but it drowned in an ocean of trash talking and fallacies.
Still, a good thing to insist on it again.

2046 · Post by **2046** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:51 am

Don't be surprised. I'd mentioned that battle in my Clone Wars Quickie Tech Review back in August, to which the opposition has chosen to fail to respond.

l33telboi · Post by **l33telboi** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:20 am

Alright, just watched the latest episode and enjoyed it like always. A few interesting tech related revelations too.

- Munificent-class Frigates have shields strong enough to deflect largish asteroids. The asteroids were, at a glance, no wider then perhaps 50m, and moving rather slowly. But that's just eyeballing it. Though the comment "That didn't sound good" uttered by the droid afterwards suggests they wouldn't like getting hit by much more then those. Probably why they set full power to front shields and left their rear exposed.

- Ranges are again shown to be similar to that seen in the movies.

- Same with speed, Anakin's tweaked fighter isn't accelerating at thousands of G's even though the engines are supposed to be boosted beyond normal output (this is in the episode guide).

- Tanks destroy capitalships. Yeah, that's the weirdest bit. But the shields were dropped on the rear of the Munificent-class vessels so it's not impossible that something as small as a tank-shell would damage them. Itâ€™s just the level of damage thatâ€™s strange. The ships got really hammered.

- Two Munificents crash into each other and take noticeable damage (huge explosions erupting from their sides). This at very low velocity.

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:57 pm

The very fact that they have to push frontal shields at full and leave the rear unprotected, or barely protected, while considering the size and speed of collisions, just confirms what we knew about SW and pretty much fucks up big times the wankery that's been going on for a bit less than a decade.

Remember, according to the ICS, the Munificent-class is supposed to generate enough power to be able to blast-melt a 1000 km wide ice moon in one shot with the main frontal dual TLs.

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:07 pm

Mike DiCenso wrote:Great catch there, l33telboi! This time they can't get away with the dialed down settings excuse. Warsies might try invoking neutrino sinks.
-Mike

I'm surprised they haven't attempted to outright discount the series as canon.

Enterprise E · Post by **Enterprise E** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:13 am

They can't. The TV series has already been stated to be a new level of canon called T-level Canon which is higher than C-level Canon, which the ICS belongs to. If the series and the ICS contradict each other, the series wins out due to its higher level.

ILikeDeathNote · Post by **ILikeDeathNote** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:19 am

Enterprise E wrote:They can't. The TV series has already been stated to be a new level of canon called T-level Canon which is higher than C-level Canon, which the ICS belongs to. If the series and the ICS contradict each other, the series wins out due to its higher level.

SDN/Warsie solution: only the films count as canon now, and of course visual evidence will concur with the ICS.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:15 pm

ILikeDeathNote wrote:SDN/Warsie solution: only the films count as canon now, and of course visual evidence will concur with the ICS.

That would be even worse for them, because nothing in the movies support the ICS...