Me vs StarWarsStarTrek

[Picard]

From here:
http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... f=8&t=1976

1. Picard decides to debate BDZ
2. Picard brings up Dankayo as evidence, referencing it as something that fits with canon and using it to support his side
3. I point out that Dankayo has 3 ISD's blowing off the atmosphere of a planet
4. Picard claims that it was only the base's atmopshere
5. I rebute this
6. Picard backtracks and claims that Dankayo is just an airless moon, when he could have taken a minute to search it up on wookieepedia
7. I rebute this
8. Picard says this:

"So we have a contradiction with canon"

And later claims that the feat was using some sort of technobabble atmosphere ripping invention.

Which then brings up the question as to why he brought up the quote in the first place if he thinks that it's an unquantifiable chain reaction AND that it's contradicting canon.

The obvious answer is that Picard misjudged his quote, but he has yet to admit this, contrary to what you claim.

Only problem I had there was time to actually think about your crap, and my unfamiliarity with EU. And gee, when I checked, it turned out that I was correct.

And now let me correct you:
1) I only debated EU in ICS thread. Not here.
4 and 6) I was going with what is possible to conclude from quote, since I know next-to-nothing about EU, and do not want to expend time on Wookiepedia, which is one of more silly wikis on internet
8) Yes, I thought that, beacouse I did not check it properly

And while you might have entire day to spew BS, I usually don't have even tenth of that.

If it's technobabble, why did YOU bring it up as evidence to support YOUR side?

Beacouse based survived. And yes, it does support my side, beacouse if it is technobabble, it is not DET. And it can't be anything else than technobabble, with described effects.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Bull. You originally thought that the 3 ISD's did NoT remove the atmosphere off the planet, and originally argued that it was just of the base and later of an airless moon.

So instead of inventing excises that I can easily bunk by looking over the thread, why don't you just admit that you misinterpreted the quote, and we can move on?

[Praeothmin]

Except, how can you only crater the surface of a planet if you strip away its atmosphere?

[Mr. Oragahn]

Damn, that Dankayo bullshit is spreading across the board vaster than a virus.
Tip of the day: Check our BDZ thread, we've got all you need.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Except, how can you only crater the surface of a planet if you strip away its atmosphere?

Perhaps the turbolasers were set to airburst to strip away the atmosphere and leave the surface relatively fine.

[Mike DiCenso]

Perhaps, but then why would the ISD captains order such a thing to be done? A standard BDZ is a straight-forward enough procedure. There has never been anything to my recollection where it was said that selective atmosphere stripping was a legitimate variation of the standard.

Alternatively, the flavor text of the "Scavenger Hunt" sourcebook can be interpreted to mean that the atmosphere of the base was escaping away. We certainly know now that the so-called slagging was all local to the Rebel base, not the entire planet.

Furthermore, we still don't have a definite time frame for how long the Dankayo BDZ operation lasted. Hours? Days? Weeks? Why three ISDs, when according to ICS, only one should have more than sufficed?

And to follow up what Mr. Oraghan and Praeothmin have said; have you actually really read the scanned pages and other quote material in the "Base Delta Zero" thread?

If not, you really should.
-Mike

[Picard]

Except, how can you only crater the surface of a planet if you strip away its atmosphere?

Perhaps the turbolasers were set to airburst to strip away the atmosphere and leave the surface relatively fine.

Or it is, as I already said, some kind of technobabble.

[mojo]

So instead of inventing excises that I can easily bunk by looking over the thread, why don't you just admit that you misinterpreted the quote, and we can move on?

what the..? can i take this to mean that you have begun to actually read a thread before posting in it? and see how that worked out? MATH IS POWER!

[Picard]

Bull. You originally thought that the 3 ISD's did NoT remove the atmosphere off the planet, and originally argued that it was just of the base and later of an airless moon.

So instead of inventing excises that I can easily bunk by looking over the thread, why don't you just admit that you misinterpreted the quote, and we can move on?

They failed to completely melt a small base. And that is important part of it. As for moving on, by all means.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

They failed to completely melt a small base.

And they managed to blow the atmosphere off the planet.

And that is important part of it.

Why? Why is the melting of a base more important in quantifying the event than blowing off the planet's atmosphere, when the latter is completely quantifiable while the former is not? The simple rationalization is that this base is very, very, very durable. You don't agree? Tough luck. Go ahead and explain how they managed to blow off the planet's atmosphere.

As for moving on, by all means.

We will move on when you admit that you screwed up. You brought forward the Dankayo example as something that fits with "canon", and then say that it contradicts canon.

[Picard]

And they managed to blow the atmosphere off the planet.

= technobabble

Why? Why is the melting of a base more important in quantifying the event than blowing off the planet's atmosphere, when the latter is completely quantifiable while the former is not? The simple rationalization is that this base is very, very, very durable. You don't agree? Tough luck. Go ahead and explain how they managed to blow off the planet's atmosphere.

I already did. It might be technobabble chain reaction, similar to one in Chase, or simply shifting atmosphere in hyperspace. If they could remove atmosphere from planet via DET, base would have sunk into molten terrain (assuming it survived).

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

And they managed to blow the atmosphere off the planet.

The atmosphere that got blasted away was from the base that was referred to as Dankayo multiple times.

[Praeothmin]

And also, wouldn't blasts powerful enough to rip the atmosphere from a planetary body do more than just cratering the surface?

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

And also, wouldn't blasts powerful enough to rip the atmosphere from a planetary body do more than just cratering the surface?

Yes.

They would also need to hit all of the planets surface all at the same time MULTIPLE times or the blasts would just push the atmosphere around the planet rather than off it at escape velocity.

Obviously 3 star destroyers do not have the coverage, rate of fire or firepower to do so and certainly not when they were supposedly firing on a single point on the planet (the base).

As this has been pointed out to him multiple times it seems his voluntary warsie amnesia is still active.

[Praeothmin]

Well, the ICS says they do, because it says that the invisible, non-existant guns on the Acclamator are 200 GT a piece...