Yes, they do need a wiki to post more insults. As a sidenote, it seems that this Darth Servo guys decided to personally take care of
Man, if we just started to make a wiki about them... but what would the point be?
Anyway, Kane made claims which need to be adressed.
His post on SDN:
Vympel wrote:I think that entry re: Mr Oragahn is too harsh. He's not a trekkie, he's just IMO generally contrarian about everything. He likes to use (some) Darkstar arguments, though I've never seen him espouse the worst of the worst (eg. days to get to Endor).
Bit by bit.Kane wrote:No he is not. He is a Stargate fanwhore. Check his wanking here.
So because the ship can withstand a certain power intensity for 10 hours that means it's shields capacity is that time multiplied with power? If I go sunbathing and lie on the beach for ten hours my skin will absorb 50MJ of energy. I guess that must mean my skin's "energy capacity" is 50MJ. And he calls his numbers conservative.
Here he is whining about Necronlord's calculated ZPM upper limit.
And last but not least check out this thread featuring STvsSG scenario and the debate between DiCenso/AFT/sonofccn and Mr.Oraghan/l33telboi. Naturally they can't agree over anything and you'll notice how Oragahn and DiCenso get progressively less polite and in the last page start accusing each other of...*gasp*.. dishonesty, desperation, wall of ignorance!
Before attacking someone the way it happens above, some former education may be necessary on a few basic facts about Stargate.Kane wrote:No he is not. He is a Stargate fanwhore. Check his wanking here.
So because the ship can withstand a certain power intensity for 10 hours that means it's shields capacity is that time multiplied with power? If I go sunbathing and lie on the beach for ten hours my skin will absorb 50MJ of energy. I guess that must mean my skin's "energy capacity" is 50MJ. And he calls his numbers conservative.
First, I'm certainly not trying to wank Stargate. The show has been doing it on its own fairly easily, and there's still much material left to point to show that. You'll notice that the figures I posted in the thread you linked to are actually pretty low in comparison to what could be found on Spacebattles.
Secondly, I did consider the issue shield recharge, far more than once, in private exchanges and on other boards. You can actually see in older posts from me at Spacebattles, around 2005.
One would have considered that while the shields were hit by hundreds of kilotons as a low end, and several megatons as a high end (figures obtained from Enemies), they could be recharged as the same time.
Shields in Stargate clearly appear to tap into a tank of energy which goes down by chunks as it's put under strain. I think that on these terms, it's a bit like in Trek, if I'm correct.
We know that the shields mounted on the Prometheus, at that time asgard in design, but not necessarily top notch, couldn't recharge much while under strain, as noticed in Lost City Pt II:
KIRKLAND
We need to break off and recharge the shields.
You could always say that on the ratio of energy lost because of the radiations, some of the loss was compensated by an input straight from the reactor. This is quite logical in fact. But look at the numbers.
We know that Ha'taks can fire at least 200 MT per heavy cannon. This figure... I didn't like it before, because it came from an alternate reality, but after rechecking said episode, it was rather very clear that the technology and firepower levels for all weapons were all the same.
More, considering the energy figures obtained from that exotic material that naqahdah is, and how it's painfully easy for Earth to obtain gigaton level nukes with mere small portions of raw ore simply added to otherwise classical warheads, I saw not reason to consider that the Ha'taks couldn't be capable of such yields, for all good reasons, such as the Goa'uld using that ore for millenia, or for the fact that they use refined versions of it and came with several variants.
You don't cut it, and 200 MT even looks tame in the light of what could be achieved.
These arguments, I've presented them several times here and elsewhere.
So when you see that such shields can take at least bolts worth of 200 MT of energy and not bulge, it means that the energy buffers behind the shields have all the necessary energy in stock to deal with such assaults - especially since while a bolt itself is rated as 200 MT (for which we don't know if it's a max yield or not by the way), the power would be worth of several times this number per second, by the sheer fact that bolts hit shields and immediately get dealt with within one frame, on all videos you could find.
Of course, if you look at it the other way round, and pretend that the shields are mainly maintained by a direct reactor output within the 200 MT/s, then when put into the equations relative to Enemies, make the shields capable of sustaining a total of 2 digit teratons for ten hours... and this would, obviously, not fit at all with the way the shields work in Stargate, as they recharge very slowly. It seems that they can't be used and recharged at the same time. The technical reason behind this is up to you.
Finally, those figures were obtained by considering a size for a Ha'tak which is in the low ballpark. Fact is, constrary to some sources or people around, I see no real evidence to argue for Ha'taks being even 1 km wide.
I also obtained a shield area by making it the tightest possible, instead of using a sphere like it's usually done elsewhere.
You can hardly make it lower.
So... wanker? Certainly not.
I suppose I should really work on SFJN's wiki, or somewhere else, to really pile up the amount of evidence which shows that Stargate has some good balls, with for example, much contrary to SW, has the ability to come with 812 GT level nukes fitting inside fighter carriable missiles. The evidence is here.
But it's also an universe which lacks what's necessary to exploit it: piss poor industry, and the vastest forces don't work as unified military empires.
The Goa'uld have been happy playing gods for millenia, didn't need massive numbers to keep control on primitive worlds, and really started shooting at each other when the major System Lords were picked one by one.
The Asgards have fought centuries against the Replicators iirc, and barely managed to keep them at bay. The Ancients/Alterans/Lantians were never interested in numbers, had formidable technologies, and when they started to grow an army, they were too late and were defeated, despite their warships being powered by ZPMs.
The Wraith are nothing like they were during the war. They can barely repair their ships, those who hold the blueprints have formed a sort of guild, the whole species in thrown into a civil war.
The Asurans were dumbed down Replicators with nerfing codes and hampering failsafes, and their brightest move was the satgate used in First Strike. After that, they were made even more stupid.
The Ori... I'd prefer to forget that one. They started cool, had a couple of flaws, then got underexploited, never unleashed to their full potential, and got written off in a series of utmost pathetic and ashaming pieces of SF writing.
Only the Replicators were being tough and getting numbers, but they still obeyed some unefficient rules and got wiped out by a deus ex machina and a fair dose of incoherence: just how the hell could the Dakara device reach every single Replicators throughout the galaxy, since at that time, they were all spread around? It's mathematically impossible.
First, this post was written many months ago. At that time, I didn't think the writers would fuck up ZPMs even more, highlighting the fact that they just have no clue about the numbers they play with. Their greatest achievement of late: claiming that several ZPMs were necessary to power the production of hundreds of thousands of clones over weeks.Here he is whining about Necronlord's calculated ZPM upper limit.
Just WTF? It's even more absurd considering that just building more starship class reactors would have been plain enough to achieve that. And frankly, needing such levels of energy for some cloning? What's that? Are they growing continent busting nukes or what?
You could write a tirade on the poor writing Stargate went through lately, which only got worse in SGA (although Ark of Truth really takes the crown, but you have to see it first). The worst part, in regards to those technical debates, would be the inconsistency of the technology, which only got bigger and bigger, literally rewriting bits of former canon.
That is, I guess, the problem you get when relying too much on technotoys for your plots.
Secondly, as for the arguments themselves, you really don't do yourself any favour, Kane, when saying I whined, while you obviously didn't pay much attention to them, and put all of your concentration into crafting more personnal attacks.
As anyone can see by reading the thread in question, we can see that my gripes are far more than legit.
The volume of the city he obtained was grossly wrong, at a time when it was sufficiently documented to know that Atlantis wasn't 900 m wide, but more than 3 km wide.
There's the problem that the Lantians possess mass lightening tech. As it would be likely applied to their city, the power needed to lift it up would be lower than what is estimated. Which of course, doesn't help at all with the discrepancies.
My third point was just a comment on the bias from SDN in favour of SW and against many other universe, improperly gauged.
The rest was simply demonstrating that using material from the show, his estimations about ZPM upper limits being 6.75 Mt/s were just absurd claims, and flew in the face of just so many elements from Stargate.
You can notice that in the thread in question, I tried to find solutions as well.
After 7-8 pages, things started to get hot, and I didn't appreciate Mike's accusation of WoI, but that was pretty much all of which he came with. I don't hold any griefs against him for that, and it's a very rare exception here.And last but not least check out this thread featuring STvsSG scenario and the debate between DiCenso/AFT/sonofccn and Mr.Oraghan/l33telboi. Naturally they can't agree over anything and you'll notice how Oragahn and DiCenso get progressively less polite and in the last page start accusing each other of...*gasp*.. dishonesty, desperation, wall of ignorance!
Now, instead of lurking around, sniping from under your mother's skirts and moaning on another board, why not grow some balls and come adress the points you seem to have problems with in the threads you've linked?
They're open and you know where they are. I don't need to remind you that you have an account here.