The Klingons, Protoss, and Jaffa at Pandora

[Khas]

Okay, this scenario came up in my mind just after I saw Avatar (and I share JMS's opinion of the movie), when I was talking with my brother. This is the scenario.

Just after the events in Avatar, the Klingons (As of DS9 Season 4), the Protoss (As of just after Brood War), and the Jaffa (As of SG-1 Season 8) all arrive at Pandora at more or less the same time. Scans of the moon reveal that it's rich in dilithium, naquadah, and Khaydarin crystals. However, they also detect a native race on the planet. The Klingons and Jaffa go right into mining operations, while the Protoss are initially reluctant. However, they realize that they need the crystals to help rebuild their civilization. But as mining operations commence, the Na'vi begin to take notice of the aliens, and aren't too thrilled about their prescence (considering how well contact with humanity went, who can blame them?) Relations continue to degrade, and war is just around the corner. Now while you might be thinking that this is a curbstomp in the favor of the Klingons, Protoss, and Jaffa, just remember that the Na'vi deity is real, and could do to the aliens what it did to the US forces in the movie. The KPJ have regular infantry, armed with the standards for their races (Klingons: Bat-leths and Disruptors; Protoss: Psi Blades and Lightning Guns (appeared in Ghost); Jaffa: Staff Weapons and Zat Guns), along with a few ships, but nothing ridiculous. Klingons have BoPs, Protoss have Scouts and Corsairs, Jaffa have Deathgliders and Al'keshes, but they can only be used in the atmosphere. And the magnetic fields in the Hallelujah Mountains mess with the deflector shields. No Orbital Bombardment. (Orbital Bombardment is prevented through the Power of Plot Device. :))
So, What happens?

[PunkMaister]

The Klingons won' much care for a species that they would deem as primitive and savage as fore the Jaffa some would have very similar views to that of the Klingons but not all of them I cannot say of the other race from that other franchise because I'm unfamiliar with it but if they are very warlike as the Klingons are the N'avi people are toast basically.

[Khas]

Here's info on StarCraft's Protoss

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Protoss

And their tech/weapons

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Categor ... Technology

They have a warrior culture, and are about as technologically advanced as the Asgard, but they aren't overly agressive. However, when they drop the hammer, they drop it HARD.

[PunkMaister]

Here's info on StarCraft's Protoss

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Protoss

And their tech/weapons

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Categor ... Technology

They have a warrior culture, and are about as technologically advanced as the Asgard, but they aren't overly agressive. However, when they drop the hammer, they drop it HARD.

If that is the case then they would probably end up making the N'avi people's homeeworld a protectorate of sorts just like the Asgard did with other primitive worlds and the Klingons and the Jaffa would have no choice but to abide by their decision since at the very least the Jaffa know not to mess with anyone that are just as advanced as the Asgard. And the Klingons would just be toast if they get antsy about it.

[Khas]

Even though they have the Asgard's tech level, they behave only slightly like the Asgard. The Protoss prefer not to interfere with lesser races, and only start wars if another race poses a threat to themselves or the other races of the galaxy. However, if the Na'vi attack first, the Protoss will more than likely strike back. Even though they're technologically advanced, they're just as proud as the Klingons. I personally see them as a cross between Klingons and Jedi. The majority of them are civillians, but the warriors (or Templar caste), are pretty honor-obsessed. All Protoss are powerful psychics, and certain individuals can create storms, screw with your nervous system, make very realistic illusions, and even shoot blasts of psychic energy at other people, DBZ-style. There basic infantry weapon, the psi-blade, is like a wrist-mounted lightsaber, except made of psychic energy. Almost all infantry men carry two. And if you're wondering how they get up close without being shot to hell, three words. Personal Deflector Shields.

[sonofccn]

Assuming the Protoss don't go all protective of the Na'vi the KJP are going to win. A giant smurf armed with a bow and arrow can't compete with a Klingon warrior armed with a disrupter, with firepower far exceeding the slugthrowers the marines employed, and the ability to transport virtually anywhere on the planet. The tree huggers will be out manuvered and cut to pieces. Then there are the Protoss who's "grunt" warrior has a protective forcefield, a pair of what amounts to light sabers mounted to his wrist and possibly enough cybernetic upgrades to give him above human running speed. Just them, not even includding dragoons or heavier hardware, could shatter the Na'vi forces.

When the Na'vi deity shows it's face the infantry is going to be put into a grinder but all three races have vessels which should be impervious to anything the local wildlife can throw at them unless Pandora has creatures composed out of c4 at the very least. The BOP should be able to take a quarter kiloton blast on it hull, sans shields, and not be overly damaged. Its sensors should be able to locat the supercomputer/god thing and drisupters and photon torpedoes should be able to perform a surgical strike and remove the threat.

[Mike DiCenso]

The Protoss are the only ones who can possibly deal with the Na'vi "god" given their powers, though we can't be certain just how powerful the Pandorian deity is, or how far precisely it's reach into space can go.

For the Klingons, if we are talking the pre-TNG nasty ones, they'll probably be sore losers and possibly carry out their equivalent of Starfleet's General Order 24 in order to remove all life (presumably the Na'vi deity cannot exist without the biological life on the planet) and then resume mining operations unless the Protoss or Jaffa do anything to interfere. The starships employed by all three races are also vastly superior to anything the Corporation forces had in the movie, and it would be interesting to see how the Na'vi, even with Jake's assistance could even think of a way to get around the weapons and most especially to even hurt them in the first place through their shields much less the hull armor.
-Mike

[Khas]

Actually, as I stated earlier, these are Klingons from DS9 season 4. And I stated that there is no orbital bombardment allowed. (All hail the power of Plot Device.) Shipwise, the Klingons only have a few BoPs, the Protoss have some Scouts and Corsairs, and the Jaffa have some Deathgliders and Al'Keshes. And the magnetic fields in the Hallelujah Mountains screw with deflector shields. This is purely land and air we're talking about here. This isn't the full might of any of these empires descending on Pandora. That would be a Narsil-style curbstomp.

[Jedi Master Spock]

The world-mind of Pandora is very like a human brain with trees replacing neurons, and in that sense, it probably doesn't have localized central computing. There are specific trees that serve as access points to the network for the Navi, but the network as a whole is embedded in the connections between the trees. It's actually going to be very resistant to localized damage.

One Klingon BOP could wipe out the entire network using the weaponry exhibited in "The Chase," but I don't see that as the most pressing concern. What's most directly a concern is the fact that the Klingons, Protoss, and Jaffa aren't particularly likely to cooperate with one another.

I'll talk a little bit about a Klingon expedition to Pandora.

Pandora's wonky magfields I could see messing with transporters and/or sensors, but I don't see it actually interfering with shields realistically. I suppose, given the OP, we should assume that Pandora's atmosphere acts like the Mutara Nebula; otherwise, the Klingons could just put perimeter shields up around their mining operations and the Navi won't be able to do squat to the mining machinery.

With or without shields, a Bird of Prey will be basically invulnerable to anything Pandora can throw at it. It has no gaping bridge windows, or glass cockpits, no air intake valves, jets, or rotors - just a solid duranium and/or tritanium hull on a comparatively massive ship larger than the big bad Colonel's super-gunship. It's completely invulnerable to Navi, in other words, and it has enough firepower to simply raze a large section of jungle for the Klingons to install mining machinery.

Klingons, with their redundant vital organs and ability to handle some toxins that kill humans ("Up the Long Ladder") might survive being shot full of arrows for long enough to shoot back and then seek medical attention. The disruptor they carry is more powerful than the cannons on the AMP suits. Not much will stand up to them. In general, I expect any Klingon expeditions into the jungle carried out on foot to have poor results, but they'll be more dangerous than the mercenaries they're replacing, who were already enough to beat the Navi on the ground (until the charging hammerheads showed up). Klingons fancy themselves great hunters, so I assume that every so often, Klingons would set out to go take game from the jungle.

The Klingons may also decide, given the hostile environment, to use local labor to perform the actual mining operations. I'm not sure whether they can buy off or intimidate the Navi into working for them, but it's a tactic that should be considered.

However, well before the Navi attempted to push the Klingons off, I see disputes breaking out between the Protoss, Jaffa, and Klingon forces. I'm not so sure those three could share a planet even for as long as it took them to finish setting up their mining machinery.

[Khas]

Now that would be an interesting scenario....
Why didn't I think of that?
If that does happen, then Pandora becomes a shitstorm, with large chunks of forest burning and millions of pissed-off Na'vi.

[sonofccn]

The world-mind of Pandora is very like a human brain with trees replacing neurons, and in that sense, it probably doesn't have localized central computing.

Sorry, I haven't seen the movie. I was thinking it had a central core.

What's most directly a concern is the fact that the Klingons, Protoss, and Jaffa aren't particularly likely to cooperate with one another.

Well Protoss seem more like the recluse live and let live type. If the Protoss do decide to protect the natives things turn ugly but they seem the sort to etch out a slab of rock as theirs and sit behind it not wasting warriors lives for a nonprotoss lifeform. The Jaffa are a mild threat at best. Infantry wise they are equiped with less powerful weapons, lack almost any sort of comuication device or tricorder equivilent. Airwise BOPs eat deathgliders and I think have good odds taking an alkesh one on one.

[Mike DiCenso]

Actually, as I stated earlier, these are Klingons from DS9 season 4. And I stated that there is no orbital bombardment allowed. (All hail the power of Plot Device.) Shipwise, the Klingons only have a few BoPs, the Protoss have some Scouts and Corsairs, and the Jaffa have some Deathgliders and Al'Keshes. And the magnetic fields in the Hallelujah Mountains screw with deflector shields. This is purely land and air we're talking about here. This isn't the full might of any of these empires descending on Pandora. That would be a Narsil-style curbstomp.

In that case they are now closer to the TOS-era Klingons in attitude because Gowron reinstated the old ways, specially where occupation of a planet was concerned. While I don't see the Klingons going overboard and terribly mistreating the Na'vi (they may even show a great deal of respect for honorable hunter-warriors like themselves), they probably will not tolerate too much in the way of the Na'vi being uncooperative in their mining efforts, and may even start getting nasty by rounding up Na'vi leaders and executing them en masse as examples of what happens to those who resist.

As for shields not working, that I don't buy since the TNG-era shields of various races appears to not have the trouble working in magnetic fields and electrical static discharges that the TOS-era Constitutions and Mirandas did. At the very least, I would expect the portable local force fields, like the one used by Tolian Soran in ST:Generations to be in wide use.

So the real threat to the Klingons would be the Protoss and the Jaffa, who have the technology and firepower to overcome the Klingons, and I agree with JMS here in that you can soon expect a three-way fight between them with the Na'vi being caught in between.
-Mike

[Khas]

So the real threat to the Klingons would be the Protoss and the Jaffa, who have the technology and firepower to overcome the Klingons, and I agree with JMS here in that you can soon expect a three-way fight between them with the Na'vi being caught in between.
-Mike

Well, That makes it a shitty time to be a Na'vi than, doesn't it?

[The Dude]

The addition of an FTL capable ship makes this a complete curbstomp. The Klingons can simply fly over the Space Natives and gun them down, burn massive swathes of forest and plink them with torpedoes, all from within atmo.

Dunno much about SG and Starcraft but they've both been observed to operate in atmosphere.

[Jedi Master Spock]

Airwise BOPs eat deathgliders and I think have good odds taking an alkesh one on one.

If a 35m alkesh whose anti-ship weapons are staff cannons capable of blowing up buildings is a tough opponent for a cloaking 110m antimatter-powered warship with a duranium hull, SG is a lot stronger than I think it is and ST a lot weaker.

The alkesh is probably also in the category of "things too large for Pandoran wildlife to knock out of the sky," like the colonel's super-gunship, but I simply don't know much about it at all.

In that case they are now closer to the TOS-era Klingons in attitude because Gowron reinstated the old ways, specially where occupation of a planet was concerned. While I don't see the Klingons going overboard and terribly mistreating the Na'vi (they may even show a great deal of respect for honorable hunter-warriors like themselves), they probably will not tolerate too much in the way of the Na'vi being uncooperative in their mining efforts, and may even start getting nasty by rounding up Na'vi leaders and executing them en masse as examples of what happens to those who resist.

Compared to Klingons in a bad mood, the humans in Avatar play nice. The Klingons, unlike the other two factions here, are building their Empire and do rule over a number of "lesser" worlds with their own native species (e.g., the Kriosians), so deciding to subjugate the Navi is also a possibility.

In a fair fight, a Navi would beat a Klingon hand to hand (and in the Pandoran jungle, a Navi with a bow will probably get the better of a Klingon with a disruptor rifle, more often than not) but it's not a particularly fair scenario. The thing is that Pandoran wildlife could be a pain for any of these three on the ground (probably least so for the Protoss) but the Navi barely managed to rustle the humans off their planet, and these are all much tougher opponents.