Would the Force even WORK in our galaxy?

[Praeothmin]

He didn't train them to work alone as bounty-hunters, did he?

Well, did he train them, or didn't he?
And if he did, are you saying that Jango, a guy with no experience (according to you) at fighting within military units, trained the Clones to fight as military units?
How can someone teach another person someting he knows nothing about?
Either he trained them to fight as units, meaning Jango has experience in fighting in units, or he didn't train them because of his lack of experience.
It's one or the other, it cannot be both...

Likewise, we see in the movie that the clones, like Commander Cody, age to Jango's same level of age in only 3 years-- this means that they age at about 7 times the normal rate at least once they reach fighting age; so it stands to reason that they gain experience that quickly as well

What are you talking about?
All the Clones we saw without any armor were about Jango's age, so their "Combat Ready" age would be Jango's.
This does not imply any fast-aging after they're out of the Cloning facilities, and thus no increased learning capacity.

So it's an apples-and-oranges situation; the clones were individually better as part of a unit, while Jango was individually better when working alone. It's like saying a rifle is better than a shotgun; obviously it depends on your target.

So we're once again down to:
Did Jango train them or not?

As for Jango Fett killing a Jedi "master," there's no proof it was a master, it coulda been a padawn for all we know.

Anakin was also a Padawan, yet he was still very gifted.
But doesn't matter, because that Jedi was actually good enough to block Jango's first shots, so he was no slouch either, and Jango still killed him...

And WAY out of context, since this was set up by a Sith-Master-- and they were trained by the Jedi for 3 years prior to gaining a sudden surprise-advantage under full treachery after ganing their trust.
This would't be the same as a team of Starfleet soldiers moving in, which a Jedi could sense long in advance without the Dark Side to cloud his senses, and trust of that army in question. Without the Dark Side, trust against a seeming common enemy, and legal authority, it would be quite different.

The only difference here is the size of the required force to kill the Jedi/Sith, not their capacity to do so...
Jedi Masters were also killed by Battle Droids, the weakest force anyone has ever seen in any Sfi-Fi setting.
What this shows is that a sufficiently sized force can take out Jedi...

Likewise, probability is simply another word for certainty; and since we know that the CLones beat the Jedi, then it's certain that the Clones were "better" at killing Jedi.

Context is also very important, yet you seem to ignore it consistently.
Groups of Clones where better at killing Jedi than 1 Jango, but any group, even groups of super weak and inefficient Battle Droids were better at killing Jedi than a simgle Jango Fett.
Now you're going to argue that the Battle Droids were better then Jango?

The Jedi that Jango killed was a Jedi Master...

[Mr. Oragahn]

Anakin was also a Padawan, yet he was still very gifted.
But doesn't matter, because that Jedi was actually good enough to block Jango's first shots, so he was no slouch either, and Jango still killed him...

The master actually didn't deflect a bolt properly. It hit him in the shoulder, and from there his defense was broken. He was open to other shots and got killed.

He's a master because we see dino head sitting in the Council (AOTC).

[Praeothmin]

Anakin was also a Padawan, yet he was still very gifted.
But doesn't matter, because that Jedi was actually good enough to block Jango's first shots, so he was no slouch either, and Jango still killed him...

The master actually didn't deflect a bolt properly. It hit him in the shoulder, and from there his defense was broken. He was open to other shots and got killed.

He's a master because we see dino head sitting in the Council (AOTC).

I'll rewatch the scene, because I seem to remember him blocking one or two shots, before the shot that hit him in the shoulder...

[Mr. Oragahn]

Anakin was also a Padawan, yet he was still very gifted.
But doesn't matter, because that Jedi was actually good enough to block Jango's first shots, so he was no slouch either, and Jango still killed him...

The master actually didn't deflect a bolt properly. It hit him in the shoulder, and from there his defense was broken. He was open to other shots and got killed.

He's a master because we see dino head sitting in the Council (AOTC).

I'll rewatch the scene, because I seem to remember him blocking one or two shots, before the shot that hit him in the shoulder...

He does block one or two but the next one is deflected insufficiently and therefore is redirected towards his shoulder.
One day, they'll all use shields. One day...

[KirkSkyWalker]

He was obviously taking a risk, by trying to take out Count Dooku ASAP-- not Jango Fett. If he stopped to deal with Fett first, Dooku would have drawn his saber, and then it would have been too late.

[Praeothmin]

He was obviously taking a risk, by trying to take out Count Dooku ASAP-- not Jango Fett. If he stopped to deal with Fett first, Dooku would have drawn his saber, and then it would have been too late.

You mean like all those other Masters in the arena concentrating on one specific Battle Droid while still blocking fire from other Droids?
There's not excuse, KirkSkywalker, Jango killed a Jedi Master with a few well-placed Blaster shots, and did it even more rapidly then most Clone units...
And you still failed to address my points:
Did Jango train the Clones in unit tactics, or did he not?

[KirkSkyWalker]

He was obviously taking a risk, by trying to take out Count Dooku ASAP-- not Jango Fett. If he stopped to deal with Fett first, Dooku would have drawn his saber, and then it would have been too late.

You mean like all those other Masters in the arena concentrating on one specific Battle Droid while still blocking fire from other Droids?
There's not excuse, KirkSkywalker, Jango killed a Jedi Master with a few well-placed Blaster shots, and did it even more rapidly then most Clone units...

Those Jedi weren't busy trying to take out Sith-lords and end the war.
And those Jedi were also leading the clones, not attacking-- so they didn't need to move as fast.

And you still failed to address my points:
Did Jango train the Clones in unit tactics, or did he not?

It's hard to imagine how he could guarantee their performance otherwise-- or would live on Kamino permanently, just to donate some DNA. However the clones did a lot of training and learning by computers and driling as well, and by the older clones who were taught first and became commanders (like Cody).

[Praeothmin]

Those Jedi weren't busy trying to take out Sith-lords and end the war.
And those Jedi were also leading the clones, not attacking-- so they didn't need to move as fast.

No, the Jedi in the arena were not leading any Clones, they were in the arena to deliver Skywalker and Kenobi, and were purely fighting Dorids, not leading an army...

It's hard to imagine how he could guarantee their performance otherwise-- or would live on Kamino permanently, just to donate some DNA. However the clones did a lot of training and learning by computers and driling as well, and by the older clones who were taught first and became commanders (like Cody).

So then, Jango did train them in unit tactics?
That means he must know something of unit tactics then, doesn't it?

[KirkSkyWalker]

Those Jedi weren't busy trying to take out Sith-lords and end the war.
And those Jedi were also leading the clones, not attacking-- so they didn't need to move as fast.

No, the Jedi in the arena were not leading any Clones, they were in the arena to deliver Skywalker and Kenobi, and were purely fighting Dorids, not leading an army...

I'm talking about the Jedi during the Clone Wars, to which you compared Jang's rate in killing them. Obviously the clones had more time to act.

It's hard to imagine how he could guarantee their performance otherwise-- or would live on Kamino permanently, just to donate some DNA. However the clones did a lot of training and learning by computers and driling as well, and by the older clones who were taught first and became commanders (like Cody).

So then, Jango did train them in unit tactics?
That means he must know something of unit tactics then, doesn't it?

Knowing and doing are 2 different things.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Knowing and doing are 2 different things.

Indeed. Clones may know, but not do well.

[KirkSkyWalker]

Knowing and doing are 2 different things.

Indeed. Clones may know, but not do well.

They killed the Jedi well enough, that was their job.

As for Jango Fett, he had been working on his own for about 20 years, so he wouldn't be as good at teamwork; he was also better at thinking independently, which would work against him as part of a unit, but help him in training such.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Knowing and doing are 2 different things.

Indeed. Clones may know, but not do well.

They killed the Jedi well enough, that was their job.

As teams.

As for Jango Fett, he had been working on his own for about 20 years, so he wouldn't be as good at teamwork; he was also better at thinking independently, which would work against him as part of a unit, but help him in training such.

What would also help him is hiring people and using gadgets. The clonetroopers seem stuck with blasters and other rifles. On the other hand, clonetroopers have access to light or heavier vehicles to hunt Jedi.

[Praeothmin]

As for Jango Fett, he had been working on his own for about 20 years, so he wouldn't be as good at teamwork; he was also better at thinking independently, which would work against him as part of a unit, but help him in training such.

What????
No, if you only have the theory, but not the practice, you can't teach it appropriately.
Oh, you can repeat it as many times as you wish, but when someone asks you why such technique is used, or what it's based on, you'll be hard pressed to answer.
In all my technical classes, the best teachers I had were those who had actually worked in the field they thaught in, prior to teaching, because this gave them the experience necessary to know when textbooks were wrong, and why they were wrong.
So if you continue to say that the Clones are really good in unit tactics because Jango trained them well, then that means that Jango has to have actual unit tactic experience, and not just theoretical knowledge.

And even though you keep ignoring the point, both I and Mr. Oragahn had repeatedly stated that what made the Clones more effective was their numbers.
You have yet to refute this... :)

[The Dude]

Wait...what? Jango, a bounty hunter is going to train the clones in unit tactics? Thats absolutely ridiculous and worthless unless he served in a training capacity in an actual military.

Though it would explain their idiotic tactics in AOTC.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Wait...what? Jango, a bounty hunter is going to train the clones in unit tactics? Thats absolutely ridiculous and worthless unless he served in a training capacity in an actual military.

Though it would explain their idiotic tactics in AOTC.

Must be the missing backpacks. Some exec cut corners and said that they'd do without 'em six months before Geonosis. Jango's techniques were all screwed up and the clones looked at each other... <_< ... >_>