Anything goes, star trek vs star wars.

[Praeothmin]

Except for the massive disparity in scale.

While the Federation never built giant Moons of Death(tm), they did built spacestations 15km in height.
Since we know in ST they shield entire planets, as shown in "Nightingale", and since the shields there were those of 1 installation, and not those of the center of the Federation, I fail to see why we cannot believe Earth has shields, or why we cannot consider the possibility that Earth has multiple shield emitters 10-15km in size all over the planet...

[User1442]

Except for the massive disparity in scale.

While the Federation never built giant Moons of Death(tm), they did built spacestations 15km in height.
Since we know in ST they shield entire planets, as shown in "Nightingale", and since the shields there were those of 1 installation, and not those of the center of the Federation, I fail to see why we cannot believe Earth has shields, or why we cannot consider the possibility that Earth has multiple shield emitters 10-15km in size all over the planet...

Like i said, im not gonna deny it, it pretty much comes all down to speculation. Thats the frustrating thing about both star wars and star trek. Theres so much that we have to use logic and speculation with. I mean, they couldn't have ONE plot that had a planetary sheild as the basis of the plot?! Balderdash! :(

[Mike DiCenso]

Speaking of space stations:





If we take the remastered TOS version of "The Lights of Zetar" as canon, then the Federation builds insanely large surface facilities on planetoids. From what current science understands about such things, trying to get spherical planetary body smaller than a few hundred km starts really pushing the limits what is possible. There's a discussion from several years ago here that goes into the details.
-Mike

[StarWarsStarTrek]

You want to use a wanked out Star Wars? Assuming full competence? It's on.

We know that the Empire was able to build the Death Star 2 in secret around Endor to 60% completion in 6 months. Assuming a 900 km diameter, that would be a volume of almost 4 * 10^17 meters cubed. That would be able to fit over 4 * 10^15 star destroyers, aka over 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. That's in 10 months, since it was 60% complete in 6 months.

So therefore, in the span of 10 months, Star Wars would have a force of at least 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. Add in the other factions in Star Wars, and the fact that the Death Star 2 was constructed in secret, and the number increases substantively, but let's be fair and only increase it by a factor of 2. 8 hundred trillion star destroyers? Wow.

Therefore, the combined Star Wars alliance would be cranking out over 8 hundred trillion star destroyers every 10 months. The Federation at its height had about 1000 planets. The Alpha Quadrant would have what; at most 5000? That's 160 billion star destroyers per planet, but 80 billion per planet if half stay behind to defend Star Wars. Even the most rapid but still sane trekkie; no offense intended, would agree that 80 billion star destroyers could BDZ a planet in extremely short time. Therefore, within 10 months Star Trek is swarmed by so many star destroyers that even the sub kiloton interpretations of them would win through sheer numbers.

Oh, but what about the borg, species 8472, etc.? The Celestials ftw. Mass produce Centerpoint stations. Then, mass produce sun crushers. Boom. The entire borg collective and species 8472 is wiped out in a mass superweapon volley.

But it gets even better/worse. Ever heard of flow walking in Star Wars? A group of Jedi with the ability could get a holo recorder, flow walk back to when the Star Trek dudes were making every technology that the Star Wars side wants but that the Star Trek side has, and record the construction of them. Gasp! Star Wars suddenly not only has their own technology and a ridiculous numerical superiority, but they also get Star Trek's technology too! Star destroyers with cloaks and warp strafing? Cloaked Jedi? Gasp!


Possible rebuttals:

Why didn't they do that in the movies? Because of some unknown reason. There are some known ones though. Lack of sufficient crew would be a main one. Stupidity would be another. The difficulty in coordinating such a large fleet would be another?

But wouldn't that also hurt this side? Having the combined resources of all of Star Wars sort of cancels that out, especially if you put the competent and best people on top, such as Luke, Thrawn, Ackbar, Leia, aka people that can actually get stuff done.

Doesn't this sound a little wankish? Fully united and competent sci fi forces typically do, because they can do stuff that they otherwise couldn't.

[User1442]

You want to use a wanked out Star Wars? Assuming full competence? It's on.

We know that the Empire was able to build the Death Star 2 in secret around Endor to 60% completion in 6 months. Assuming a 900 km diameter, that would be a volume of almost 4 * 10^17 meters cubed. That would be able to fit over 4 * 10^15 star destroyers, aka over 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. That's in 10 months, since it was 60% complete in 6 months.

So therefore, in the span of 10 months, Star Wars would have a force of at least 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. Add in the other factions in Star Wars, and the fact that the Death Star 2 was constructed in secret, and the number increases substantively, but let's be fair and only increase it by a factor of 2. 8 hundred trillion star destroyers? Wow.

Therefore, the combined Star Wars alliance would be cranking out over 8 hundred trillion star destroyers every 10 months. The Federation at its height had about 1000 planets. The Alpha Quadrant would have what; at most 5000? That's 160 billion star destroyers per planet, but 80 billion per planet if half stay behind to defend Star Wars. Even the most rapid but still sane trekkie; no offense intended, would agree that 80 billion star destroyers could BDZ a planet in extremely short time. Therefore, within 10 months Star Trek is swarmed by so many star destroyers that even the sub kiloton interpretations of them would win through sheer numbers.

Oh, but what about the borg, species 8472, etc.? The Celestials ftw. Mass produce Centerpoint stations. Then, mass produce sun crushers. Boom. The entire borg collective and species 8472 is wiped out in a mass superweapon volley.

But it gets even better/worse. Ever heard of flow walking in Star Wars? A group of Jedi with the ability could get a holo recorder, flow walk back to when the Star Trek dudes were making every technology that the Star Wars side wants but that the Star Trek side has, and record the construction of them. Gasp! Star Wars suddenly not only has their own technology and a ridiculous numerical superiority, but they also get Star Trek's technology too! Star destroyers with cloaks and warp strafing? Cloaked Jedi? Gasp!


Possible rebuttals:

Why didn't they do that in the movies? Because of some unknown reason. There are some known ones though. Lack of sufficient crew would be a main one. Stupidity would be another. The difficulty in coordinating such a large fleet would be another?

But wouldn't that also hurt this side? Having the combined resources of all of Star Wars sort of cancels that out, especially if you put the competent and best people on top, such as Luke, Thrawn, Ackbar, Leia, aka people that can actually get stuff done.

Doesn't this sound a little wankish? Fully united and competent sci fi forces typically do, because they can do stuff that they otherwise couldn't.

Im a star wars fan and even i find your numbers a little......out there.

[Admiral Breetai]

I'm a starwars fanatic and even I can't comprehend..the guys numbers

besides those Celestials aint the comic ones...so Q and "them" show up and have a stellar BBQ

[Picard]

We know that the Empire was able to build the Death Star 2 in secret around Endor to 60% completion in 6 months. Assuming a 900 km diameter, that would be a volume of almost 4 * 10^17 meters cubed. That would be able to fit over 4 * 10^15 star destroyers, aka over 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. That's in 10 months, since it was 60% complete in 6 months.

Unless construction began earlier than we think.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

We know that the Empire was able to build the Death Star 2 in secret around Endor to 60% completion in 6 months. Assuming a 900 km diameter, that would be a volume of almost 4 * 10^17 meters cubed. That would be able to fit over 4 * 10^15 star destroyers, aka over 4 hundred trillion star destroyers. That's in 10 months, since it was 60% complete in 6 months.

Unless construction began earlier than we think.

Constructing a single large structure is hardly the same as setting up millions if not more production lines to build star destroyers let alone having the capability of effectively manning each of them with 5000 to 37,000 crew each.