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Mr. Oragahn
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Re: Hirogen

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu May 27, 2010 3:18 am

Dang, this really makes them look cool. I mean, hunting the fucking Borg, and controlling small black holes (the most powerful ones actually)? I guess the less writers fiddle with them, the better?

That said I think it's absurd -no offense- to think that their suits can deal with the gravity of a neutron star. That's absurd. At best it involves some super wonky special device of some kind, in which the guy sits. Or they fire something at the neutron star, make a rift and can fly through it before it collapses or something.

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Re: Hirogen

Post by Mith » Thu May 27, 2010 4:00 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Dang, this really makes them look cool. I mean, hunting the fucking Borg, and controlling small black holes (the most powerful ones actually)? I guess the less writers fiddle with them, the better?

That said I think it's absurd -no offense- to think that their suits can deal with the gravity of a neutron star. That's absurd. At best it involves some super wonky special device of some kind, in which the guy sits. Or they fire something at the neutron star, make a rift and can fly through it before it collapses or something.
Again, I say they used some sort of anti-gravity technology. I would suspect maybe a subspace power transfer network of some sort with an anti-gravity emitter. Or the ship itself doing it. There's no way that suit could keep him alive in a neutron star just by being 'tough'. For one thing, his vace is showing (or part of it), so he'd have part of his face crushed in.

Then again, didn't these guys also trade blows with 8472? The one that could tear its way through Voyager's hull?

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Re: Hirogen

Post by Praeothmin » Thu May 27, 2010 1:15 pm

Mith wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Dang, this really makes them look cool. I mean, hunting the fucking Borg, and controlling small black holes (the most powerful ones actually)? I guess the less writers fiddle with them, the better?

That said I think it's absurd -no offense- to think that their suits can deal with the gravity of a neutron star. That's absurd. At best it involves some super wonky special device of some kind, in which the guy sits. Or they fire something at the neutron star, make a rift and can fly through it before it collapses or something.
Again, I say they used some sort of anti-gravity technology. I would suspect maybe a subspace power transfer network of some sort with an anti-gravity emitter. Or the ship itself doing it. There's no way that suit could keep him alive in a neutron star just by being 'tough'. For one thing, his vace is showing (or part of it), so he'd have part of his face crushed in.

Then again, didn't these guys also trade blows with 8472? The one that could tear its way through Voyager's hull?
Going through a ship's hull doesn't give you Neutron Star pressure blows...
That line was utter bulls***, the kind that we humans use everyday when telling a story to impress people:
"Yeah, there were 4 guys there, and I beat them all up to a pulp!"
Reality? There was one little boy, 10 years old, who mouthed off to you and you told him to go f*** o** or something, but which version is more awesome?
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Re: Hirogen

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sat May 29, 2010 6:32 pm

Mith wrote:Well, the hunter may have been leaving something out.

Most likely he was making use of some sort of technology that repulsed the gravity--otherwise he would have been crushed to something resembling a very flat smear. Given that his people are advanced enough to control small black holes, I don't think this is all that much of a stretch--especially if his ship was nearby and projecting some sort of anti-gravity field to reduce the effects of the star.

What I think the Hirogen was refering to was more likely the heat (wait, are Neutron stars hot?) or other environmental issues. Otherwise, if we consider that just one suit of armor could do that, their hand guns would literally be able to turn Voyager into swiss cheese.
Armour that could allow a humanoid to survive the heat, gravity and be mobile enough to hunt in the mantle of a Neutron star would be so strong and need to boost the physical power of the wearer to such levels he could kick silver age supermans butt and punt the DS like a football.

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Re: Hirogen

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun May 30, 2010 4:41 pm

It's rather clear that taking literally is not reasonable.
Unless you want to piss off some fans about Trek's high outlying ends, of course. :)

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Re: Hirogen

Post by Kor_Dahar_Master » Sun May 30, 2010 6:54 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:It's rather clear that taking literally is not reasonable.
Unless you want to piss off some fans about Trek's high outlying ends, of course. :)
/Bookmarks thread for the next time a warsie mentions stormtrooper armour......:D








Do you think stormtrooper armour can allow a clone to charge around in temperatures of 1 million kelvin.

Now if we wanna calculate how much a 100kg person+equipment would weigh:-
14,000,000,000,000kg


SO FERKING HEAVY!!!!!.

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