SSD versus Borg Cube

[Praeothmin]

Also the Trench guns mught not be able to point up, since they might be hitting parts of the ships above and below the trench where they are.
And add to the fact that in ANH, we saw fire coming from the underside of the ISD, which means they have some guns there too.
But I would think that for planetary bombardment, all the top guns can probably fire almost at the front of the ISD, the guns from the undrside also can, and probably the trench guns facing forward would also serve.
So it may go up to 60% of all the weapons, counting 100% of the Heavy Turbolasers that would serve for a "BDZ" operation.

[AnonymousRedShirtEnsign]

Actually if the ISD shoots forward, it can only use 1/4 of its HTLs due to their poor positioning. So assuming HTLs are significantly more powerful than MTLs and LTLs, the best course of action would be to put the ISD at an an angle so that it can use all of its dorsal guns and some of its trench guns, I'm thinking a forward rotation between 5/8(pi) and 3/4(pi).

[Mike DiCenso]

If the HTL turrets can rotate so they are pointing up, then the ISD could turn upside-down and use all of its HTLs at once. I think the light and medium guns are pretty evenly dispersed across the rest of the ship so you could at most get 1/2 of them, though in actuality it would probably be more like 35 or 40% assuming there are a lot of trench guns.

Take a look at the Cloudster photos of the 8 foot TESB model:


http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ ... yerTop.htm



In particular....


http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ ... yer033.jpg

... and...


http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ ... yer035.jpg

... where you can see the heavy HTLs along the superstructure and in the trench notch. These alone make up some 28 large guns alone! If mirrored this would make up some 56 HTL guns! My rough assumption was that there were "only" 100 some-odd TL guns of all sizes mounted on an ISD. The HTLs here would also all be able to fire down on a planet, if the ISD were to maneuver as AnonymousRedShirtEnsign has described.

As far as I can tell, there are no comparable large-scale TLs mounted on the ISD's ventral side.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Praeothmin wrote:
Thirdly, it assumes all the Turbolasers arethe same size and power. Heavy Turbolasers will be more powerful then Med Turbolasers, who in turn are more powerful than Light Turbolasers.

Actually, I only merely averaged out the firepower for simplcity's sake. We cannot know how much difference there is in firepower between a LTL and an HTL anyway.

But as far as the energy required calc, I'm not the one who'll be finding the faults in it.
BTW, where did you find the figures used for the blasting of an atmosphere away?
Was it ever calculated by scientists, for real? Or only by SW fans?
I'm curious where those numbers come from.

You can calculate the energy required by using good old KE= 1/2 mv^2 and knowing that Mars' atmosphere is only 1/100th the density of Earth's (5.24x10e18 kg versus 2.5x10e16 kg), and that Martian escape velocity is 5.02m a second.
-Mike

[Mike DiCenso]

Just a quick correction:

Martian escape velocity is not 5 meters a second, it's 5,020 meters (5.02 km) a second.
-Mike

[User1627]

Also the Trench guns mught not be able to point up, since they might be hitting parts of the ships above and below the trench where they are.
And add to the fact that in ANH, we saw fire coming from the underside of the ISD, which means they have some guns there too.
But I would think that for planetary bombardment, all the top guns can probably fire almost at the front of the ISD, the guns from the undrside also can, and probably the trench guns facing forward would also serve.
So it may go up to 60% of all the weapons, counting 100% of the Heavy Turbolasers that would serve for a "BDZ" operation.

I heard that you were a Ladykiller. They take one look at you and die of shock.

[Praeothmin]

I'm stealing that one... :)

[User1626]

Also the Trench guns mught not be able to point up, since they might be hitting parts of the ships above and below the trench where they are.
And add to the fact that in ANH, we saw fire coming from the underside of the ISD, which means they have some guns there too.
But I would think that for planetary bombardment, all the top guns can probably fire almost at the front of the ISD, the guns from the undrside also can, and probably the trench guns facing forward would also serve.
So it may go up to 60% of all the weapons, counting 100% of the Heavy Turbolasers that would serve for a "BDZ" operation.

I heard that you were a Ladykiller. They take one look at you and die of shock.

Yeah well when you unzip your pants they die of laughter.

[Praeothmin]

Also the Trench guns mught not be able to point up, since they might be hitting parts of the ships above and below the trench where they are.
And add to the fact that in ANH, we saw fire coming from the underside of the ISD, which means they have some guns there too.
But I would think that for planetary bombardment, all the top guns can probably fire almost at the front of the ISD, the guns from the undrside also can, and probably the trench guns facing forward would also serve.
So it may go up to 60% of all the weapons, counting 100% of the Heavy Turbolasers that would serve for a "BDZ" operation.

I heard that you were a Ladykiller. They take one look at you and die of shock.

Yeah well when you unzip your pants they die of laughter.

Please, do not feed the troll...

[StarWarsStarTrek]

The Executor (no Darth Vader) goes against a standard Borg cube in some distant region of space. No one can flee and it's a fight to the death. Who wins?

As shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ

The range of Star Wars capital ships is in the hundreds of kilometers.

As shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJZbCNexctc

The standard attack range of a borg cube does not exceed 10 kilometers, and for some reason it only fires once at a time.

Meanwhile, a super star destroyer can fire several dozen gun batteries at once, from hundreds of kilometers away, and, according to Star Wars: Complete Locations, it has the power output of a medium star.

Many may cite the scene of the A wing taking the Executor out through a suicide run, but that was after its frontal shields were down, in which the A wing hit a critical section of the bridge, causing what visuals clearly show as a chain reaction failure that caused the Executor to collapse. Without this stroke of luck, the executor vs a borg cube is a curbstomp in favor of the executor with its output of a medium star.

EDIT: actually, it's shielding system alone has the power output of a medium star. That's pretty darn impressive. To have taken out the shields of the Executor in half an hour, the Rebel fleet would had to have delivered ten teratons of tnt every second.

[Admiral Breetai]

not hundreds of KM's at all we've been over this

also ISD's get visibly destroyed by fighters a Cube makes short work of the fucker from a hundred thousand kms out

[Picard]

Battle of Endor is 102 km, maximum. I calculated it on my site, you have link in my profile.

As for FC... yeah, just ignore all explanations I gave, and fact that it is lower canon than live-action series... including TNG, which gives numerous 10 000+ km ranges and one 200 000+ km range, TOS, which has at least two instances of 200 000+ km ranges, and DS9, which shows at least one instance of 100 000+ km range.

[Praeothmin]

Meanwhile, a super star destroyer can fire several dozen gun batteries at once, from hundreds of kilometers away, and, according to Star Wars: Complete Locations, it has the power output of a medium star.

Meanwhile, in "Darksaber", an SSD firing at full power on the planet only causes forest fires of 1 acre in size, which shows very, very low KT firepower... :)

[Admiral Breetai]

a borg Cube plowed it's way through Dominion War era fed space and seemed to withstand days of fighting god knows how many vessels on it's way to earth with it's adaptation ability neing overwhelmed by that near constant stream of fire

going by trek feats those ships would of been hurling enough fire power at that cube every few minutes to slag the surface of a planet and likely had been doing this for days. I'm not especially understanding how this can be claimed to be an SSD victory

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

As shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ

The range of Star Wars capital ships is in the hundreds of kilometers.

/looks for capital ships firing at each other....nope apart from a extreemly close broadside at 4:44.