Starfleet Jedi

I recently wanted to look into what the ICS said about the heavy turbolasers on a Venator, and I started looking over pages posted on the internet. I noticed some poor proofreading.

Has anyone else noticed these stupid mistakes? If you have please share.

Wouldn't mistakes like these make the information in the book(s) unreliable?

It's like who ever wrote the ICS didn't know what they were talking about.
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Venator-class
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I noticed that the Heavy Turbolasers charge a bank of Capacitors according to the page, and had at least one cooling system per DBY-827.

The page says in the text:

The Venator-class, as a true warship, can feed almost its entire reactor output to its heavy guns when required.

How many times have you heard someone claim that a warship in Star Wars can channel its entire reactor output through its heavy weapons. Did they read this page?

What help is being able to feed your heavy guns more energy then they can use?

The DBY-827 can only fire so fast without overheating.

The capacitors can't be subjected to currents and voltages beyond their rating with at least risking catastrophically failure.

Above a particular electrical field a capacitor becomes conductive. There is a limit as to how much energy can be safely stored in a capacitor.

Why wouldn't the ship designer design the ship to always channel the optimum amount of power to the DBY-827 heavy turbolasers? It doesn't matter how powerful the reactor is if the weapon is not designed to exploit its capabilities.
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LAAT
http://www.phombo.com/technology/star-w ... 2747/full/

4 composite-beam, pinpoint laser turrets (2 manned; 2 remote; 3x10^11 joules pershot)

Why is a beam weapon measured in joules instead of watts? The output of a beam should be joules over time. The weapon does not fire pulses.

well, at least the ICS recognizes the fact that turbolasers can be powered by the ship's reactor. what the fuck were those shells?

also, and don't take this the wrong way, but i thought it was hilarious that you created a thread about poor proofreading and then misspelled 'recently' in the FIRST SENTENCE.

Funniest part?

"Its precise Long-Range tracking mode allows it to hit targets at ranges of 10 Light-Minutes..."

Ten Light-Minutes?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

We see them miss targets at less than 10 km in TCW... :)

They mis-classed the book, clearly it was a comedy book... :)

Praeothmin wrote:Funniest part?

"Its precise Long-Range tracking mode allows it to hit targets at ranges of 10 Light-Minutes..."

Ten Light-Minutes?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

We see them miss targets at less than 10 km in TCW... :)

They mis-classed the book, clearly it was a comedy book... :)

That isn't what I meant. I was asking if anyone knew of any more typos like using joules when watts should have been used, or listed capabilities that are useless.
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Acclamator-class
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Armament: 12 quad turbolaser turrets (200 gigatons per shot); 24 laser cannons (6 megatons per shot) ; 4 missiles/torpedo launcher tubes

Ton is a measurement of explosive yield. The use of ton would imply the bolts fired act like explosives rather then a particle beam which would be measured in watts or joules.

Don't you think that the heavy turbolasers of a Venator would be precisely designed to work with the idea that the reactor's whole output could be nearly entirely passed through the weapon system?

Mr.Oragahn wrote:Don't you think that the heavy turbolasers of a Venator would be precisely designed to work with the idea that the reactor's whole output could be nearly entirely passed through the weapon system?

Capacitors are measured in two ways, one is the measure of capacitance in Farads, the other is volts. A farad is one amp-second of electrons, each capacitor will always charge to the same amount of amp-seconds. The volts are what can vary, a capacitor charges to the same voltage as the input source. The capacitance (farads) multiplied by the voltage is the amount of joules stored in the capacitor. However, there is a maximum voltage and current that a capacitor can handle before it experiences catastrophic failure and explodes.

So the effect of diverting a greater portion of the reactor power to the capacitors would result, assuming the capacitors are rated for that current and voltage, in a faster charge rate. If one were to somehow increase the reactors output voltage many electrical components would no longer function as most require a specific voltage.

In weapons subject to overheating a faster charge rate would be completely useless.

359 wrote:

Mr.Oragahn wrote:Don't you think that the heavy turbolasers of a Venator would be precisely designed to work with the idea that the reactor's whole output could be nearly entirely passed through the weapon system?

Capacitors are measured in two ways, one is the measure of capacitance in Farads, the other is volts. A farad is one amp-second of electrons, each capacitor will always charge to the same amount of amp-seconds. The volts are what can vary, a capacitor charges to the same voltage as the input source. The capacitance (farads) multiplied by the voltage is the amount of joules stored in the capacitor. However, there is a maximum voltage and current that a capacitor can handle before it experiences catastrophic failure and explodes.

So the effect of diverting a greater portion of the reactor power to the capacitors would result, assuming the capacitors are rated for that current and voltage, in a faster charge rate. If one were to somehow increase the reactors output voltage many electrical components would no longer function as most require a specific voltage.

In weapons subject to overheating a faster charge rate would be completely useless.

And what do you do of large tolerance levels and alien tech?
Capacitor is just a name, like weapon or cannon.

right, that was my great-grandfather's name, actually.

capacitor weapon cannon jones the third.

not 'the third' as in the third consecutive generation to have that name, but 'the third' is actually my last name.

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Don't you think that the heavy turbolasers of a Venator would be precisely designed to work with the idea that the reactor's whole output could be nearly entirely passed through the weapon system?

359 wrote:Capacitors are measured in two ways, one is the measure of capacitance in Farads, the other is volts. A farad is one amp-second of electrons, each capacitor will always charge to the same amount of amp-seconds. The volts are what can vary, a capacitor charges to the same voltage as the input source. The capacitance (farads) multiplied by the voltage is the amount of joules stored in the capacitor. However, there is a maximum voltage and current that a capacitor can handle before it experiences catastrophic failure and explodes.

So the effect of diverting a greater portion of the reactor power to the capacitors would result, assuming the capacitors are rated for that current and voltage, in a faster charge rate. If one were to somehow increase the reactors output voltage many electrical components would no longer function as most require a specific voltage.

In weapons subject to overheating a faster charge rate would be completely useless.

Mr.Oragahn wrote:
And what do you do of large tolerance levels and alien tech?
Capacitor is just a name, like weapon or cannon.

1) The ICS say nothing about the heavy guns being able to make use of the extra wattage being sent their way. You would need to find evidence that of these absurdly high tolerances.

2) If the ship is channeling the vast majority of its reactor output to its heavy guns then it will start moving in the opposite direction it is firing.
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Off topic: We actually see a full power order given at the end of the Malevolence trilogy, and the ships continue moving forward. That means that maximum output is not the majority of the reactor's output.

Mr.Oragahn wrote:And what do you do of large tolerance levels and alien tech?
Capacitor is just a name, like weapon or cannon.

Yes, 'capacitor' is just a name. A name of a very specific component, not a generic class of item like 'weapon' or 'cannon', the generic name for a capacitor would be 'energy storage component' which would include batteries as well. And an increased tolerance would not allow it to store more charge, just prevent it from exploding when exposed to greater current/voltage than it can store.

359 wrote:

Mr.Oragahn wrote:And what do you do of large tolerance levels and alien tech?
Capacitor is just a name, like weapon or cannon.

Yes, 'capacitor' is just a name. A name of a very specific component, not a generic class of item like 'weapon' or 'cannon', the generic name for a capacitor would be 'energy storage component' which would include batteries as well. And an increased tolerance would not allow it to store more charge, just prevent it from exploding when exposed to greater current/voltage than it can store.

And isn't that the point of being able of dedicating more or less power to the weapons' capacitors again?

I suppose it could be beneficial, but it would depend on how the rest of the turbolaser makes use of the electrical energy. The higher the voltage the higher the current, to most systems that is detrimental. If it were using the energy to create some plasma and launch it out of the barrel, then it would be worse to have the greater voltage/current than the standard ideal voltage/current. We just do not know enough about how the weapon functions to be certain. But we do know that it would increase the recharge rate of the capacitors.

359 wrote:I suppose it could be beneficial, but it would depend on how the rest of the turbolaser makes use of the electrical energy. The higher the voltage the higher the current, to most systems that is detrimental. If it were using the energy to create some plasma and launch it out of the barrel, then it would be worse to have the greater voltage/current than the standard ideal voltage/current. We just do not know enough about how the weapon functions to be certain. But we do know that it would increase the recharge rate of the capacitors.

There are also the cooling fins on top of the gun and other cooling system that seems to involve vaporizing something and then ejecting the gas to take into account. More energy equals more heat. Firing the weapon at full power like Mr.O is suggesting will destroy it do to over heating alone, and that ignores the fact the ICS are silent on if the capacitor can do what is being suggested.