Warp-combat superiority

[Mike DiCenso]

Right, but that's just the phaser firing the "particle of the week". I was demonstrating what a phaser is not. And graviton-based isn't it..
-Mike

[KSW]

Right, but that's just the phaser firing the "particle of the week". I was demonstrating what a phaser is not. And graviton-based isn't it..
-Mike

But deflectors are.... so modify the main deflector-dish, works every time LOL
In First Contact, the Borg tried to modify the main deflector to transmit a signal to the Borg in the Delta Quadrant, so it can fire gravitons at least the speed of normal subspace transmissions.

This is getting ridiculous. KSW, how does a Memory Alpha article prove your point that phasers are graviton-based? Canonically all we know is that shields are graviton-based. In fact, based on what little we do know, phasers cannot be gravitons since in "Best of Both Worlds, Part 2":

RIKER: But this is not the time for change. I need you all where you are, where Captain Picard always relied on you. I have been, reluctantly, forced to conclude that Commander Shelby, our expert on the Borg, is an ideal choice at this time for first officer. Based on our latest communication, we can assume that the Borg survived the fleet's attack. Your thoughts on our next encounter?

SHELBY: What about the heavy graviton beam we were talking about?

LAFORGE: I've gone over it four times. The local field distortion just wouldn't be strong enough to incapacitate them.



If phasers operated on that principle, then why not mention that?

Because they were already adapted to phasers?

Also, Han's statement in ANH goes like this:

"Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy!
Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or
bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick,
wouldn't it?"

Too close or through. Bounce too close suggests they'd come out of hyperspace near such an event and be severely damaged or destroyed. Anyway, no evidence from you will mean another warning for you.
-Mike

From the novel A New Hope:

"Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy. Ever tried
calculating a hyperspace jump?"
Luke had to shake his head. "It's no mean trick. Be nice if we rushed it and passed right through a star or
some other friendly spatial phenom like a black hole. That would end our trip real
quick."

"Fly" suggests while the ship is in hyperspace.
So taking that into consideration, he's talking about gravitional effects (while in hyperspace, not the supernova thing)-- and we already know that the Death Star's tractor-beam could tear the ship apart.

So if such a field of similar intensity struck the Falcon at similar speeds relative to the ship in hyperspace as the graviton-field of a star, then it's the end of the Falcon.

This also indicates that the Falcon travels through subspace, since that's the genre of gravitons.

Now consider the following from Memory Alpha:

The transtator was a component of Starfleet technology, and in the 23rd century was the basis of every important piece of Starfleet equipment, including communicators, transporters, and phasers.

In 2368, upon departing from Sigma Iotia II, Doctor McCoy related that he had accidentally left his communicator behind on the planet. Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock realized that the highly-imitative Iotians would take the communicator apart, learn how the transtator worked, and possibly begin to emulate the technology of the Federation. (TOS: "A Piece of the Action")

Transtators also formed part of a starship's power system. Miles O'Brien accidentally disconnected a transtator from the power grid of the USS Enterprise while infiltrating that vessel in 2268, causing a localized power blackout. (DS9: "Trials and Tribble-ations")

Despite advances in computer technology, such as isolinear chips and bio-neural gel packs, the transtator continued to be used into the 24th century. The USS Voyager carried transtator assemblies aboard, diagnostics of which were routinely performed by operations officer Harry Kim. (VOY: "Time and Again")

And from Memory Beta:

A transtator was a piece of technology which formed a basic part of numerous devices, including communicators, transporters, and phasers. The transtator was a necessary component for detecting and manipulating subspace energy.

This all indicates that phasers operate on the same principle as the other technology, i.e. the manipulation of subspace energy.

In any event, if the beam's moving faster than the Falcon then it must by necessity reach further into subspace; this is indicated by the fact that a Federation ship's speed likewise increases increases according to warp-factor, i.e. the increased curvature of space (see above).

[Picard]

And regarding warp factor, its name as well as wildly warying values suggest that it is not a measurement of speed, but rather measurement of curvature of timespace, while actual speed is dependant on many factors.

[Khas]

This all indicates that phasers operate on the same principle as the other technology, i.e. the manipulation of subspace energy.

But subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer Accords. If this was the case, then phasers would have been outlawed. In any case, according to VOY's "Time and Again", phasers fire nadion beams.

[Mike DiCenso]

The thing is that I don't recall anywhere in Star Trek where the transtator was ever describe as critical for the picking up and relaying of subspace energy, only that it was the basis for much of the Federation technology at the time.

Also where in Trek was it ever stated, other than communicators, that phasers had transtators in them?
-Mike

[Praeothmin]

Well, Mike, KSW's Memory Alpha quotes do say in what episodes we learn how the Transtators are used...
But from where MA gets that it has anything to do with Subspace is a mystery...

[KSW]

The thing is that I don't recall anywhere in Star Trek where the transtator was ever describe as critical for the picking up and relaying of subspace energy, only that it was the basis for much of the Federation technology at the time.

Also where in Trek was it ever stated, other than communicators, that phasers had transtators in them?
-Mike

Simple: how else would the Iotians ask the federation for a piece of their action?

[KSW]

And regarding warp factor, its name as well as wildly warying values suggest that it is not a measurement of speed, but rather measurement of curvature of timespace, while actual speed is dependant on many factors.

Warp-navigation isn't straightforward, so warp-travel likely isn't either.
Khan couldn't even figure out how to navigate the Enterprise, despite having all the ship's libraries at his disposal, and knowing the ship's systems.

However this aside, speed is dependent on the warp-curvature of space.

[Mike DiCenso]

Simple: how else would the Iotians ask the federation for a piece of their action?

That's not an answer. In what episode do we learn that transtators are used in phasers, and that transtators are used for subspace?
-Mike

[KSW]

Simple: how else would the Iotians ask the federation for a piece of their action?

That's not an answer. In what episode do we learn that transtators are used in phasers, and that transtators are used for subspace?
-Mike

This is off the topic. The whole issue is whether phasers can affect ships in hyperspace, and it's simply ridiculous to say they can't; it would allow any Warsie to say that a ship can just go to hyperspace and it's invulnerable. We know they're not invulnerable to passing through a star.

[Khas]

No, it's ridiculous to say they can, since Han was either referring to the star's mass shadow, or to coming out of hyperspace too close to a star.

[KSW]

No, it's ridiculous to say they can, since Han was either referring to the star's mass shadow, or to coming out of hyperspace too close to a star.

Starfleet can shoot gravitons tachyons, etc. and bend space if they want to, so there's no really need to quibble over whether phasers involve gravitons or subspace etc. It's moot.

Hell they even got phasers that can fire nanites.

[Khas]

We've never seen phasers emit gravitons or tachyons or bend space.

And even though Starfleet has space-bending technology, and indeed, relies on it to travel FTL, gravity projection tech also exists in SW, which forces ships out of hyperspace.

[KSW]

We've never seen phasers emit gravitons or tachyons or bend space.

It doesn't matter, we know they can. Heck, they can modify the main deflector-dish to do anything; gravitons, tachyons, you name it. In "Generations," Scotty even modified it to create a photon torpedo-burst (obviously using it to create a tractor-beam would be too easy).

And even though Starfleet has space-bending technology, and indeed, relies on it to travel FTL,

The fact is that they can DO it, so anything else is just quibbling.

gravity projection tech also exists in SW, which forces ships out of hyperspace.

That's in the EU.

[Khas]

That's because the deflector dish can channel power through the warp core, as well as being, as Picard stated in First Contact, charged with antiprotons. It's also stated to be a particle emitter. Phasers are designed almost solely for the firing of nadion beams. The only reason that the phaser rifles on Voyager could fire nanites was because Tuvok modified them, and let's face it, a rifle is a helluva lot easier to modify than a starship's phaser banks.