Would the Force even WORK in our galaxy?

[KirkSkyWalker]

Well looks like we got another armchair-"expert."
If the training-sims are any good, that's experience enough.

Except that this "armchair-expert" has dome something you didn't:
Provided evidence that the Clones cannot have Jango's experience

Fine, you got me there-- if any one of them ever gets assigned a mission bounty-hunting on their own, then they'll be at a disadvantage to Jango Fett, because that's where Jango's superior experience lay. Fighting in an army as part of a team, however, Jango would be at a dis-advantage to the clones, due to all those years of experience working on his own, and in a different capacity; likewise, Jango didn't have the genetic alterations to make him better as part of a team, that the Clones had.

And you've also failed to provide your "expertise" in things like simulation training, Clone trooper training, and you've failed to provide evidence that experience is worth nothing, and that a few months of "flash-training" by an expert makes you an expert too...

More like TEN YEARS (or equivalent, with growth-acceleration)-- and if it's good training, then it does provide experience, or the equivalent. And 10 years of good training and experience does make each one of them an expert, by definition.
Add to that three years (or six, again with growth-acceleration) field-experience in war led by the Jedi themselves, and they'll each be much better-equipped to kill Jedi, than Jango would be.
Likewise, your cherry-picking example of saying "Jango is better against Jedi than the clones, mano-a-mano," is adding an artificial condition that's completely non sequitur-- as well as out of context, since Obi-Wan wasn't trying to kill Jango Fett, while Mace Windu was-- and did so.
Palpatine had the Clones turn on the Jedi suddenly and shoot them all at once, not line up and fight them one at a time, hand-to-hand, like in a kung-fu movie-- so that's what he trained them to do, and how he trained them to do it.

[Praeothmin]

Fighting in an army as part of a team, however, Jango would be at a dis-advantage to the clones, due to all those years of experience working on his own, and in a different capacity; likewise, Jango didn't have the genetic alterations to make him better as part of a team, that the Clones had.

In other words, no individual Clone is better then Jango because they are trained as soldiers to fight as a unit.
And also, since Jango isn't an expert in unit tactics and the army in general, he could NOT have trained them.
Is that what you're saying now?
After saying Jango trained them to be the best so they're as good as him?

More like TEN YEARS (or equivalent, with growth-acceleration)-- and if it's good training, then it does provide experience, or the equivalent. And 10 years of good training and experience does make each one of them an expert, by definition.

Yes, 10 years training to Jango's what, 15, 20 years actual fighting experience due to being adopted and living among Mandalorians and going on actual raids with them instead of the make believe ones in a training sim?
Still not as good as Jango...

Add to that three years (or six, again with growth-acceleration) field-experience in war led by the Jedi themselves, and they'll each be much better-equipped to kill Jedi, than Jango would be.
Likewise, your cherry-picking example of saying "Jango is better against Jedi than the clones, mano-a-mano," is adding an artificial condition that's completely non sequitur-- as well as out of context, since Obi-Wan wasn't trying to kill Jango Fett, while Mace Windu was-- and did so.
Palpatine had the Clones turn on the Jedi suddenly and shoot them all at once, not line up and fight them one at a time, hand-to-hand, like in a kung-fu movie-- so that's what he trained them to do, and how he trained them to do it.

In other words, due to their intimate knowledge of Jedi, and the fact that they outnumbered them on the field while attacking from their backs, the Clones, when in a squad, are better at killing Jedi then the lone, single Jango.
Yup, I see no problem there, we both agree on this fact...

[KirkSkyWalker]

Again, you're arguing a lost cause, since the Clones proved effective in killing Jedi-- Jango, not so much!

[Mr. Oragahn]

Let's mitigate things a bit.
The Padawan killed in front of Organa managed to deflect the attacks of at least four clones (after killing three of them by surprise), killing another one with a deflected bolt when standing in front of him, and blocking attacks from several other clones before their larger numbers got the young boy down (and still managed to kill another clone).
Ki Adi Mundi killed one clonetrooper by deflecting his own shots against him and almost had another one before he got spammed once and for all from at least four other clonetroopers at near point blank range.
Make whatever you want of that.

[KirkSkyWalker]

No need-- victory speaks for itself.

[Mr. Oragahn]

No need-- victory speaks for itself.

What is that? Another lazy way to repeat "concession accepted"? You do realize that it's not going to get you points here, right?

[KirkSkyWalker]

No need-- victory speaks for itself.

What is that? Another lazy way to repeat "concession accepted"? You do realize that it's not going to get you points here, right?

Who needs points when I won by KO?

[Mr. Oragahn]

No need-- victory speaks for itself.

What is that? Another lazy way to repeat "concession accepted"? You do realize that it's not going to get you points here, right?

Who needs points when I won by KO?

If it makes you happy.

[KirkSkyWalker]

What is that? Another lazy way to repeat "concession accepted"? You do realize that it's not going to get you points here, right?

Who needs points when I won by KO?

If it makes you happy.

Then it can't be that bad! :D

[Praeothmin]

Again, you're arguing a lost cause, since the Clones proved effective in killing Jedi-- Jango, not so much!

Ah, no!
What I've been saying from the beginning, which you have repeatedly failed to refute even though you tried, is that no individual Clone is as good as Jango.
I never, ever (and you can try to find a quote to the contrary if you wish) said that a group (say 6-10) of Clone soldiers wasn't as good as Jango individually.

Of course, the Clones killed Jedi, there were always a minimum of 6 Clones for each Jedi killed.
Had there been two Jangos at Kamino, Obi-Wan might not have gotten out of there alive.
Oh, and by the way?
Jango did kill a Jedi Master, point blank, in the arena at Geonosis.
So Jango has indeed proven himslef capable of killing Jedi as well... :)

[KirkSkyWalker]

Again, you're arguing a lost cause, since the Clones proved effective in killing Jedi-- Jango, not so much!

Ah, no!
What I've been saying from the beginning, which you have repeatedly failed to refute even though you tried, is that no individual Clone is as good as Jango.

So what, an army of Jango Fetts isn't as good as an army of CLones; apples and oranges.
The CLones won, Jango died, case closed.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Again, you're arguing a lost cause, since the Clones proved effective in killing Jedi-- Jango, not so much!

Ah, no!
What I've been saying from the beginning, which you have repeatedly failed to refute even though you tried, is that no individual Clone is as good as Jango.

So what, an army of Jango Fetts isn't as good as an army of CLones; apples and oranges.
The CLones won, Jango died, case closed.

A billion light years.
That's about the distance between your "argument" and Praeothmin's point.
It's so ludicrous that I'd have to consider the possibility that you're a Tellarite. :)

[Praeothmin]

Again, you're arguing a lost cause, since the Clones proved effective in killing Jedi-- Jango, not so much!

Ah, no!
What I've been saying from the beginning, which you have repeatedly failed to refute even though you tried, is that no individual Clone is as good as Jango.

So what, an army of Jango Fetts isn't as good as an army of CLones; apples and oranges.
The CLones won, Jango died, case closed.

Not so fast, young Padawan, you forget the fact you had stated that the Clones were individually as good as Jango because he had trained them.
At that time, they were pretty much all apples, weren't they?
So let's do that again, shall we?

Jango is better then any individual Clone, probably as good as two or three of them, since he was able to kill a Jedi Master by himslef, and no Clone has been able to do the same.
A small group pf well armed and well trained soldiers can kill Jedi, so if the Force did work in the Milky Way, the Jedi/Sith still would not be the super advantage for the Republic/Empire most Warsies seem to argue for.
That was my original argument, and it still stands... :)

[KirkSkyWalker]

He didn't train them to work alone as bounty-hunters, did he? That was Boba's line.
So individual clones work better as a unit, and it's out of context to compare them mano-a-mano to say which one is "better."
Likewise, we see in the movie that the clones, like Commander Cody, age to Jango's same level of age in only 3 years-- this means that they age at about 7 times the normal rate at least once they reach fighting age; so it stands to reason that they gain experience that quickly as well.
So their 3 years of fighting under the Jedi, would equate to Jango's duration of experience-- in knowing their enemy, the Jedi.

Jango's real advantage, however, is his ability to think indepenently, which the Clones were bred and raised to filter this out and follow orders; so this would give him a strong advantage in a one-on-one situation, but a detriment when fighting as part of a unit.
So it's an apples-and-oranges situation; the clones were individually better as part of a unit, while Jango was individually better when working alone. It's like saying a rifle is better than a shotgun; obviously it depends on your target.
Here, the Jedi were like birds-- i.e. hard to kill with a rifle, but easy with a shotgun. Jedi were trained to fight on their own-- obviously not as an army, as proven in the Arena. Therefore the CLone army was better against Jedi.
As for Jango Fett killing a Jedi "master," there's no proof it was a master, it coulda been a padawn for all we know. Likewise Jango was standing right next to Dooku, a Sith-lord, and we know how they cloud Jedi-senses.

A small group pf well armed and well trained soldiers can kill Jedi, so if the Force did work in the Milky Way, the Jedi/Sith still would not be the super advantage for the Republic/Empire most Warsies seem to argue for.
That was my original argument, and it still stands... :)

And WAY out of context, since this was set up by a Sith-Master-- and they were trained by the Jedi for 3 years prior to gaining a sudden surprise-advantage under full treachery after ganing their trust.
This would't be the same as a team of Starfleet soldiers moving in, which a Jedi could sense long in advance without the Dark Side to cloud his senses, and trust of that army in question. Without the Dark Side, trust against a seeming common enemy, and legal authority, it would be quite different.

[KirkSkyWalker]

A billion light years.
That's about the distance between your "argument" and Praeothmin's point.
It's so ludicrous that I'd have to consider the possibility that you're a Tellarite. :)

Of course I am-- like a Vulcan!
Truth is a defense of itself, and victory is the measure of success in war; so it's futile to dispute the truth of a proven hypothesis, with a dis-proven one.
Likewise, probability is simply another word for certainty; and since we know that the CLones beat the Jedi, then it's certain that the Clones were "better" at killing Jedi.

I know you guys want to think that Jango Fett is a one-of-a-kind BAMF, and in some ways it's true; but largely it's just Conservation of Ninjitsu.