Darth Vaders fleet vs Earth

[Admiral Breetai]

Vaders personal fleet from TESB and ROTJ (sans the Ds but double the count in ISD's) are transported to the trek galaxy by Q who's board and is interested in some trolling. he tells Vader if he can pacify earth and take it over he'll be sent home

he appears about an hour away from earth and is heading there at maximum velocity

local defense forces have been scrambled and earths orbital defenses are made ready

the Third fleet under command of Admiral William Ross is about six hours away can the local defense fleets and earths defenses hold out until the reinforcements arrive?

fight takes place about two years after the dominion war

hows this go?

[Picard]

Vader and CO get stomped even before Ross arrives. A spacedock should be match for hist fleet, if not curbstomp it into oblivion. Plus we know that Earth has relatively strong planetary defenses.

[sonofccn]

Well IIRC the ROTJ fleet is estimated at what 30 ISDs? So we're looking at about sixty ships an hour inbound versus whatever starfleet can scrounge up in that time. I'll say Vader takes the system but unless Q is very lenient in his stipulations Vader will ultimatly lose. Short of simply carpet bombing the entire world he'll have no time to pacify the world with starfleet rivaling if not exceeding the survivors of his fleet in a day or so's time.

[Admiral Breetai]

sixty ISd's plus the SSD yeah

vs what ever would constitute a post Dominion war era defense fleet IIRC was a bunch of excelsior class vessels armed with Q torps and some akiras as per Owen Paris little fleet in end game was it?

with willie about six hours away from the time vader arrives with a force that could be any where from a couple dozen to fifteen hundred depending on what would constitute a defense fleet in post Dominion more aggressive fed era

[Praeothmin]

Well, it depends...
How many ships were in the Breen fleet that attacked Starfleet Comand in SF?
If Earth defenses were successfull in repelling that fleet and limiting damage, then they can do it again this time...
But if the Breen fleet was only 15 ships, for example, then those 61 ships will do a shitload of damage before they are stopped...

[Mike DiCenso]

Except that you have to remember what the definition of a fleet was by that point in the Dominion War. It ranged from as few as 114 ships to as high as 1,250, with the median given number around 300-600. So for the Breen to have any chance at successfully attacking Earth and doing anything at all, especially given the generally inferior quality of their ships without the energy draining weapon, they would need at least hundreds of ships.
-Mike

[Picard]

Photon torpedoes offer 200 - 1000 times more firepower per shot than heavy turbolasers. No, I can' see them winning - even against reasonably armed starbase.

[Trinoya]

With only an hour of prep time the SDs do some pretty significant damage to earths immediate defences, but not much more than that.

[User1632]

Vader and CO get stomped even before Ross arrives. A spacedock should be match for hist fleet, if not curbstomp it into oblivion. Plus we know that Earth has relatively strong planetary defenses.

Relatively? Try impenetrable by any SW weapons, even the Death Star would be no match for it.
My guess is that no one would even notice Vader's fleet, it would be like paddling a wooden-canoe into New York harbor from 5 miles out at sea (which is about an hour's journey for a canoe); i.e. the Federation would, at most, be thinking it was some recreational antique-vessels with A-R engines and ferrous-metal hulls, since they're busy scanning for warp-signatures and graviton-based cloaking-devices etc.coming into the solar system.

Then Vader would get to Earth, and say "w t FFFFFF?????" when he saw what was going on around it with all the warp-driven ships that disappeared from their sensors when going to warp. Finally when vader got hailed by ground-control to offer him special status for his unregistered antique hobby-ships, they'd ask about his prosthetics and tell him that he should visit a local infirmary to get some proper treatment for his medical condition, and when Vader said that he was from another Galaxy, then they'd refer him to Federation HQ in order to register as a visting civilization.
And finally when Vader told them that Q was behind it, they'd refer him to a special division of Starflleet called "Q-files division" which was set up especially to handle problems that Q caused people.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

In Star Trek Generations, an anomaly is detected 3 light years away from the Sol System. The Enterprise...is in the sol system, and is on its way to Pluto. Guess what? It is explicitly stated that the Enterprise is the only ship in range! That implies that there are no other warp capable ships in Sol in relative peacetime, meaning that the only defenses Vader's fleet would encounter are orbital platforms and ground based defenses...and maybe the Enterprise.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

..............

Deal with these first:

1. DEATH STAR POWER OUTPUT YOUR CLAIM:

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... &start=180

The Death Star circumnavigating Yavin 4 in a matter of minutes, calculating out to 67 km/s, requiring about e29 joules of energy assuming a density similar to a GSC.

Not only does this assume the DS came out of hyperspace stationary, it ignores the fact that without mass lightening and inertial dapening the DS would tear itself apart under such thrust.

2. SHIELDING:

Horray!

Star Trek shields


"RELICS" is courtesy of Mike Wong, here:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... ield1.html

So let me get this straight:

The Enterprise was FINE as it was entering orbit of the star. However, a solar flare hit it, and its shields went down to 23%.

At 150,000 km.

1. The ship was at 150,000km for a significant amount of time prior to the flare that caused them to raise the shields.

2.The ship and its main systems were already damaged so when the shields were raised they were at 23%.

3. It is clearly stated that the solar flares are going to get worse and yet the shields could last 3 hours of pounding from them (so if the flare knocked them down to 23% then how could they last 3 hours of even worse pounding).

[Trinoya]

In Star Trek Generations, an anomaly is detected 3 light years away from the Sol System. The Enterprise...is in the sol system, and is on its way to Pluto. Guess what? It is explicitly stated that the Enterprise is the only ship in range! That implies that there are no other warp capable ships in Sol in relative peacetime, meaning that the only defenses Vader's fleet would encounter are orbital platforms and ground based defenses...and maybe the Enterprise.

Which would be from kirks time, and not the time in which this takes place if Ross is in charge.

Voyagers last episode gives us a Galaxy, a Prometheus, A Nebula, a Defiant, and an Excelisor Class ship that were assembled at the very last second to engage the borg at earth.

Presuming all ships were in working condition that is a total of eight possible combatants, one of which has a confirmed, on screen, effective combat range of 40,000 km. In addition to that earth would have whatever shuttles and runabouts were on it, as well as Starbase.

The short of it is: They will have ships.

The bigger question is could they inflict enough damage before they bypass earths defenses and do damage to the planet itself... That's a decided possibility.

However: The OP said "pacify earth." Which there is simply no way they could ever hope to do that before they were destroyed, either by the ships present, or by the reinforcements.