Praeothmin wrote:
That is not my figure, that is one figure I found doing your work...
Just as in ST, SW speeds are varied and range from a few thousand c to over a million c, still not 20 times the fastest speeds in ST...
No, unlike in Star Trek, Star Wars G canon hyperdrive speeds are consistently >1 million times the speed of light, and no amount of cherry picking from quasi canon novels will refute that.
Not really, I don't believe the 120 000 LY one, so I'll only use the 10 000 LY size...
Ah, you don't believe it, because...because.
Do the maps really show that Mace did indeed need to travel "hlaf the Galaxy", or was this distance just hyperbole?
How much time elapsed between his departure and his arrival?
Hey, you use a statement Han Solo made in the shock of seeing a planet of billions of people being blown up, so I'll use the statement of a senator who's traveled far further distances than you or me.
No, I'm postulating that Senators, as seen in AotC and TCW, live on Coruscant year long during their tenure in Senate, as shown by Amidala's appartment on Coruscant in AotC...
They only travel when on vacation, so some may take vacations on their homeworld when they have weeks available to them, to account for travelling...
And again, AotC shows Tattoine and Naboo less than a Parsec away, so less than 3.26 LY away from one another, travelled perhaps in less than an hour (28 557c) or more...
Vacations? By your claim, by the time they returned from said vacation, their term would be over!
Remember how Padme went to Naboo to hide from her assassin? Or how she originally arrived on Coruscant? By your logic, her term would be long over by the time she made a one way trip.
Nope, I warned you for making unsupported statements, again, as you often do...
You really want to play this game? That the first option in finding someone not supporting a claim is to ban them, instead of asking them for proof?
So when Breentai says:
...ships that have ranges of no more than a few hundred meters
And provides no sources whatsoever; well, he doesn't even do so after I ask him to, but that's another point, you just happen to not notice?
I apologize if I offended you, I thought the phrasing would convey the joke ("you dishonest debater, you"), so it it seemed disrespectful, I'm sorry...
Oh, I apologize so much for ignoring evidence. Can I get my warning reversed?
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Yes,
do indeed...
Those hits are at least a hundred yards away...
They
missed the first few shots, the villains hypocritically fail to hit the heroes, and the phasers fail to penetrate rocks. Your point?
What I'm saying is, instead of charging like idiots through the door, they could have fired first using the doorframe as protection, then, once they had cleared the corridor, they could have begun coming in, with a lot less losses...
And Riker and the crew used this in Enterprise, as did the...oh, no.
The MACO in ENT used grenades, as you can see at 3:11
here...
But I agree we don't see grenades used in DS9 or TNG.
Which just means they're like Stormtroopers, they don't use grenades...
They don't even carry grenades, while stormtroopers do. The fact that they did not use them just once could be explained many ways; they didn't equip them due to overconfidence, didn't have time to prep them when being shot at, didn't want to damage the plans or puncture a hole in the hull, etc.
Ok, so you bring in the element of surprise on SW's side, but you conveniently forget it for Picard?
Plus, Picard has beaten tougher opponents than Solo and Farmboy Luke as of ANH...
He's shown in the TNG episode where he's the only crewmember left when people try to steal trilithium that he knows guerilla warfare very well (in "starship mine"), is very athletic, and can kick ass, taking on, at 60, two Klingons, and three Nausicans when he was young...
Again, Stormtroopers are not shown as better than Redshirts...
I don't think you get it. Picard took out an entire ship's crew by himself. This does not speak well of average Star Trek mook competence levels, at all. Especially since Picard was not quickly trapped by a ray shield, like Anakin, Obi Wan and Palpatine were. Or that the warp core was not at all shielded, and that Data could just walk up to it and shoot it.
Not this bullshit again?
Prove it...
The Ewoks, prior the Chewbacca taking over, had destroyed two AT-STs, one crushed between two logs, one tripped over and crushed by rolling logs, and at that point, the Ewoks had only
4 casualties...
The novelizations quite clearly state that the Ewoks were losing:
On Endor, the battle of the bunker continued. Stormtroopers kept irradiating Ewoks with sophisticated weaponry, while the fuzzy little warriors bashed away
Of course not, Klingons are big and strong and know how to fight...
And navy seals are big and strong and know how to fight. I could take out a navy seal if I had a gun. Redshirts cannot take out klingons when they have phasers.
What?
You're trying to clain the cumbersome equipment used to scan the MF on the DS in ANH can track ships in Hyperspace or create massive jamming now?
And once again, you have the unsubstanciated claim of millions of c for SW ships...
Please provide a link as to where this happened. We know that the MF has highly sophisticated ECM, as it was able to jam the communications of an incoming tie fighter.
Prove!
It!
The fact that the Enterprise and the Voyager have been seriously threatened by random boarding parties with random intruders that have no NBC protection, but the redshirts are too stupid to open the airlocks or use an equivalent of blast doors?
The fact that the entire crew of a Romulan ship was taken out by a 60 year old man?
Close combat range is no excuse for consistent hand to hand combat. This is not the 18th century.
My thin 14 year old nephew can lift 30 pound rocks over his head, and I can lift C3PO with 1 finger (see, since you provided no numbers on 3PO's weight, I can claim what I want)...
Ignorance to ignorance. You know as well as me that C3PO is made out of metal, and you know as well as me that he'd have to be lighter than air for your trick to work, and you know as well as me that C3PO is not lighter than air.
You mean in the context of an armored guy getting knocked out by the weak impact of a cheap spear made by a weak creature?
Yup, Strength does indeed have relevance...
Your lack of evidence, however, has none...
Weak impact? The Ewoks merely have to be sufficiently strong to stab a spear, which they are, and they can hurl 30 pound rocks. Your allegedly thin 14 year old nephew could easily take you in a fight if he had a spear.
You see, every example of incompetence on stormtroopers also apply to redshirts:
Bad aim - see my image in previous post
Not taking cover - various hallway shootouts
Not using grenades - Redshirts almost never use anything other than poorly designed phasers
Yet redshirts have all these problems and more:
No armor
No HUD
No NBC protection
No armor support
No heavy firearms
No automatic weapons
No real time combat communication systems
Consistently get defeated by melee combatants
How do you expect a bunch of redshirts to take down an AT-AT? Shooting at its feet? Happening to have a convenient long piece of rope and the means to use it?
How do you think the Seige of A58 would have gone if a single modern machine gun team were there? Or a Star Wars E web emplacement? Or a single droideka? Or a single AAT? Or a single Jedi?
Oh, in that case, there is no evidence R2 is a competent hacker, the fact he hacks in the Empire's systems only means they are weak...
See how easy it is to make unsupported claims?
Except that in both the movies and the EU, R2D2 is the one the heroes rely on to do the hacking. See how I can back up my claims?
Now that is a very good question...
I've always felt she was an idiot for acting the way she did, and it was posited on DITL that the only reason she got her post was because of her father, Admiral Janeway...
So then your unsupported claim that the Voyager was low on warp supplies for some unstated reason is just grasping at straws. You cannot prove this, you cannot explain why, and you don't understand the implications for Federation ship durability this has.
Nope, different context:
Voyager was lost in unknown lands, while all SW travels are in known territory, at least a lot more known than the Delta Quadrant was for Voyager...
After all, didn't the Librarian tell Obi-Wan: "If it's not in the archives, it doesn't exist!"...
She was wrong, but the maps do show that the SW Galaxy is well travelled and well mapped...
Right, and Obi Wan was able to travel to Kamino within a number of hours. This is the only reasonable time frame you could apply, unless if you think that he spent several days inside his cockpit.
Nope, the one figure which you cling to maybe, but not all the examples...
One figure? One figure? In every Star Wars movie, the protagonists, villains and other people consistently cross vast portions in the galaxy casually, often times just to meet up with someone. In Star Trek, warp drives are far slower, meaning that the journey itself is a major part of the plot.
Star Wars has faster hyperdrive speeds because the plot required for the galaxy to be far more interconnected, whereas Star Trek has lower warp speeds because the plot requires for the Enterprise to spend time exploring new lands, not getting anywhere in the galaxy within hours.
Therefore, Star Wars has a massive FTL advantage over Star Trek, and your C canon contradictions don't disprove that; not to mention that said figures are still an order of magnitude or more higher than Star Trek speeds!
Except, that the movie shows us different...
We see the fleet enter Hyperspace after 3PO says that there is a secret entrance "on the other side of the ridge", the one we see far away when they are scoping the place...
Since no one on foot will go fast in the forrest, it could have easily have taken them 3-4 hours to go around the place, meaning the fleet gets out of Hyperspace after 3-4 hours, or around 440 000c...
Still no millions of c...
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Oh please. Are you claiming that a special forces team is going to take 3 to 4 hours to get somewhere within view? Especially when the success of the Rebel Alliance in on the line? Based on your figures, Star Wars ships would take months to cross the galaxy, but this is patently false.
