Star Wars Industrial supremacy fact or fairy tale?

[Khas]

Again, Droids need periodical memory whipes or they do devellop personnalities.
And as for Moriarty, that was a mistake, Vic was only really and advanced program, with no real sentience, leaving the EMH as the only real programs with the ability to devellop sentience.
Remember the Doctor was not fully sentient at the beginning of Voyager, but he was allowed to grow that way by using him everyday.
The program develloped and develloped and eventually became such...

Actually, Vic was sentient:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vic_Fontaine

[User1604]

To be fair, SW is still using assembly-lines like on Geonosis, and they grow their food on farms. Meanwhile replicaters can produce most almost anything in any amount, including food and water.

[Praeothmin]

To be fair, SW is still using assembly-lines like on Geonosis, and they grow their food on farms. Meanwhile replicaters can produce most almost anything in any amount, including food and water.

And yet people still farm on ST colonies and worlds, growing their food on farms...

[User1604]

To be fair, SW is still using assembly-lines like on Geonosis, and they grow their food on farms. Meanwhile replicaters can produce most almost anything in any amount, including food and water.

And yet people still farm on ST colonies and worlds, growing their food on farms...

But only by choice, right? (Egads, it's "Green Acres in Space!")

[mojo]

why DO they do that?

[Cocytus]

There's something of an undercurrent in the Federation that is, for want of less pointed adjective, regressive. It ranges from mild expressions like those of certain people who disdain replicated food and prefer the "real" article (such as Miles O'Brien's mother, whose preferences he discusses with Keiko over dinner in "The Wounded") to the fanatical, dictatorial Alixus in "Paradise," who intentionally maroons herself and others on a planet and sets up a dampening field to prevent technology from working, lying her ... hell, I would call them victims into believing that the field was a natural phenomenon.

This undercurrent has cropped up before. Data referred to it as Neo-Transcendentalism in "Up The Long Ladder."

In "The Neutral Zone," one of the revived 20th century humans thought his replicated Martini was the best he'd ever had, so I have to wonder if the perception that replicated food is inferior to "real" food is purely psychological.

[Praeothmin]

Yet, strangely enough, people seem to prefer real food to replicated one when they have the choice, like Sisko's father...
Also, replicators?
Energy intensive (as seen in Voyager where replicator rations were cut due to power issues), require dedicated technicians to maintain, which many colonies may not have.
Need organic components in order to make food, they don't create it out of thin air, they need material components in order to replicate items.
Sure, you can store organics in the form of vegetable and meat pastes that the replicator uses, but you first need to harvest these components somewhere.
Replicators are not magic hats that create things out of nothing, they need base material to work with...

[sonofccn]

@Praeothmin

Are you sure replicators work that way? Because from year of hell we get this:

JANEWAY: That watch represents a meal, a hypospray, or a pair of boots. It could mean the difference between life and death one day.

Which implies a gold pocket watch can be reclaimed as a pair of presumbly none gold boots, a hypospray as well as someone's meal. Of course wouldn't be the first time Trek was inconsitent, transporters tear you apart atom by atom but you can see and move while they do it for example.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

@Praeothmin

Are you sure replicators work that way? Because from year of hell we get this:

JANEWAY: That watch represents a meal, a hypospray, or a pair of boots. It could mean the difference between life and death one day.

Which implies a gold pocket watch can be reclaimed as a pair of presumbly none gold boots, a hypospray as well as someone's meal. Of course wouldn't be the first time Trek was inconsitent, transporters tear you apart atom by atom but you can see and move while they do it for example.

The watch was not gold it was replicated matter of some sort.

[User1604]

@Praeothmin

Are you sure replicators work that way? Because from year of hell we get this:

JANEWAY: That watch represents a meal, a hypospray, or a pair of boots. It could mean the difference between life and death one day.

Which implies a gold pocket watch can be reclaimed as a pair of presumbly none gold boots, a hypospray as well as someone's meal. Of course wouldn't be the first time Trek was inconsitent, transporters tear you apart atom by atom but you can see and move while they do it for example.

Who says that's inconsistent? The transporter maintains the person's integrity though the whole process, so they just exist less in one place and more in another until they're fully transported.

[User1604]

The watch was not gold it was replicated matter of some sort.

They can replicate gold. You'd think that they can replicate anything that can be transported, since it's the same process. On DS9, some assassins modified a replicator to use as a transporter to beam in a weapon, IIRC, and Sherlock Odo figured it out since they use a similar process of dematerialization and rematerialization.
Trelane manufactured all of his stuff using the same process, but his food was tasteless because of course he had no means of comparison to the real thing. Replicators can have the same problem, so they have to be fine-tuned in order to replicate food properly; Sisko says they can't even replicate good oatmeal, that's probably part of the reason that some places serve real non-replicated food.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

The watch was not gold it was replicated matter of some sort.

They can replicate gold. You'd think that they can replicate anything that can be transported, since it's the same process. On DS9, some assassins modified a replicator to use as a transporter to beam in a weapon, IIRC, and Sherlock Odo figured it out since they use a similar process of dematerialization and rematerialization.

Please show me a link to them replicating gold.

[User1604]

The watch was not gold it was replicated matter of some sort.

They can replicate gold. You'd think that they can replicate anything that can be transported, since it's the same process. On DS9, some assassins modified a replicator to use as a transporter to beam in a weapon, IIRC, and Sherlock Odo figured it out since they use a similar process of dematerialization and rematerialization.

Please show me a link to them replicating gold.

Right here.
Gold is made of subatomic particles and energy, so they can replicate it.

While the article does say the following:

unlike transporters, which duplicate matter at the quantum level, replicators must be capable of a large number of different materials on demand. If patterns were to be stored at the quantum level, an impossible amount of data storage (or a set of original copies of the materials) would be required. To resolve this, patterns are stored in memory at the molecular level.

The drawback of doing so is that it is impossible to replicate objects with complicated quantum structures, such as living beings, dilithium, gold, or latinum.

this is due to data-storage issues; therefore if you had some gold available as a pattern-template, there would be no problem in producing any amount of it, just like the transporter produced 2 Rikers.
And comm-badges contain gold (Time's Arrow, Pt. I).

[Cocytus]

Yet, strangely enough, people seem to prefer real food to replicated one when they have the choice, like Sisko's father...
Also, replicators?
Energy intensive (as seen in Voyager where replicator rations were cut due to power issues), require dedicated technicians to maintain, which many colonies may not have.
Need organic components in order to make food, they don't create it out of thin air, they need material components in order to replicate items.
Sure, you can store organics in the form of vegetable and meat pastes that the replicator uses, but you first need to harvest these components somewhere.
Replicators are not magic hats that create things out of nothing, they need base material to work with...

Joe Sisko is an older man, born either before the introduction of replicators or just after it. Early models would undoubtedly have had flaws to shake out. Quark replicates a lot of what he serves using his replicator bank. Janeway subsists on replicated coffee. We've seen Ben Sisko and other crewmembers making liberal use of the Replimat. That some of them complain about replicated fare is hardly surprising. If you eat the same meal a thousand times, it might be the best you've ever had the first time, but it would get boring later on. The meal itself is chemically identical every time, but your perception of it has changed.

Janeway's YoH quote and numerous other examples show us the replicator can recycle matter into other viable forms, moving between organic and inorganic matter. Organic matter is differentiated chemically from inorganic matter by the presence of carbon. No carbon=inorganic. Riker describes the process as "inorganic materialization" in "Lonely Among Us," here using 'organic' to refer to a non-biological process. Inorganic life has been known to the Federation since the discovery of the Horta in "Devil in the Dark," which is silicon based. Several other silicon-based species have been discovered.

In any event, the replicator can produce organic and inorganic matter, and recycle one into the other. There is no need to store meat paste at all. All it needs is a supply of basic atoms to arrange into molecules. Remember this nasty little trick?

http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... se_276.jpg

Phaser sentry, cup of tea, phaser sentry. All in about ten seconds.

Or even more simply, consider that glass is mostly silicon dioxide, which is inorganic. Every single time the replicator produces a drink in a glass, or food on a plate, it's producing both organic and inorganic matter.

[Praeothmin]

Didn't know the YOH quote...

So, another magic equipment for the Federation, with a bullshit excuse as to why living beings or gold can't be replicated... :)