Swine Flu: Is it the next Spanish influenza pandemic?

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oragahn:

Your reply continues your pattern.

1. You defend the use of leftist conspiracy loon websites as valid information sources on the grounds that they link to mainstream sites, while failing to recognize that the mainstream sites do not reflect the unsupported claims the conspiracists are making in any way, shape, or form, and specifically contradict the facts and opinions of the conspiracists.

2. You defend the claim that it was Baxter's vaccine intended for use being shipped and not virus material en route to a research lab based on Google's translation of Czech websites, which also features such statements as "we are back to putting." Clearly they were golfing, no?

Note that this also continues the conspiracist tradition of pointing toward the earliest available news as the most valid, though this is seldom if ever the case.

3. You defend your own conspiracist lunacy on the grounds that conspiracies exist. The fact that conspiracies occur is true.

However, the attempts of you and like-minded nuts to claim super-vast conspiracies with no evidence whatsoever is the problem. Guy Fawkes confessed, and there was written evidence. There is plenty of evidence of what happened prior to 9/11. And so on.

And of course, real conspiracies are boring to conspiracist loons. An example is that 9/11 'Truth'ers reject the small conspiracy of Atta and friends in favor of a huge super-conspiracy featuring the President, his staff, members of the military, Bin Laden, demolitions team members, and hundreds and thousands of others in many countries, including experts in numerous fields who have slammed the conspiracy nut claims. Hell, I'm sure by posting this I am actually in on the conspiracy, and may even be the shadow operative running the show. (Next up, the Illuminati.)

What goes wrong in the mind of a conspiracist nutjob such as yourself is that at no point does reason interfere with the quest for the conspiracy. The more complicated and convoluted, the better, because there is always a mystery to solve, and the conspiracist feels that much more self-important. And the appeal to ignorance always works because, after all, it's virtually miraculous that you have learned of the conspirators' plots at all, what with conspirators being so secretive all the time.

4. You correctly note that Sonofi-Aventis has a facility of some kind in Mexico, yet you continue to insist that the brand new facility from the press release was built within about a month. As you put it, the press release "says the new facility would be up running within a few weeks."

Quoting from the press release with my own emphasis:

Sanofi pasteur is planning to start construction of the new vaccine manufacturing facility within a few weeks. Upon completion within four years, the facility will have a yearly capacity of up to 25 million doses of seasonal influenza vaccine.

Most of the time, conspiracy loons at least try to make their claims plausible so as to dupe other people. Since you have decided Sanofi-Aventis must be responsible for the Mexican flu, why not try to prove that the existing facility is an evil lab, or even a way station for flu developed elsewhere (it's got European and Asian flu traces! Ooooohhhh!) rather than lie about a 100-million Euro facility that can't possibly exist yet?

Just sayin'.

5. You could not even understand that when I used the term racism, I was referring to one of your manufactured motives for Sanofi-Aventis, not saying you were racist.

How can someone with such poor reading comprehension possibly believe he can read between the lines to divine the truth, when he cannot read the lines as written with any accuracy to begin with?

6. You attempt to defend your leftist silliness by complaining about my even bringing up left vs. right is lame. Had you not been spouting leftist garbage from psycho leftist conspiracy nut websites, no comment would have been made. It is the same reason I commented on your conspiracist nuttery.

Your anti-capitalist theory that a big company must be evil and thus responsible for the very thing it makes a product to take care of is also leftist garbage, though I'll grant that when you really get deep into conspiracy BS the insane left and insane right end up merging into an orgy of pure, apolitical insanity.

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In short, you embarrassed yourself, and while your reply wasn't quite as lunatic-fringe as you could have taken it, you did still manage to embarrass yourself further by trying to defend your more absurd ideas with still-more absurdity.

Anyway, my much-deserved airstrike and this response to wide-missing AA is complete, so further reply is unnecessary. You may now continue to make a fool of yourself at your convenience.

Yeah yeah blah blah blah. The amount of lies, strawmen and idiocy in your post is baffling. Most of your attacks and accusations were solely built upon ignorance and reading comprehension problems.

[l33telboi]

Cynicism is a fine thing, until it becomes the prime motor of your opinions regarding the world and ethics. What makes you think there's something good in having a few million people dying?

New jobs available, overcrowded places would decrease in population density, food shortages would become managable, decreased tap on natural resources, etc.

It's clearly blown out of proportions. What could happen be that this swine flu would have far less confirmed deaths than traditional seasonal human flues.

How many deaths are there now, a little under 200, according to the most wanked sources? The normal flu kills thousands each year. Hell, from what I've read it's not even sure if this is more dangerous then the normal flu. Last I read the figures are even being exaggerated, while WHO reports 12 deaths in Mexico, the Mexicans claim 176.

[Praeothmin]

Last I read the figures are even being exaggerated, while WHO reports 12 deaths in Mexico, the Mexicans claim 176.

Well, 12 died from the Flu, and the other 164 died from eating the food in Mexico... ;)

[Mr. Oragahn]

New jobs available, overcrowded places would decrease in population density, food shortages would become managable, decreased tap on natural resources, etc.

These are cold facts, but doesn't make them any better.
Or perhaps Finland's population should be wiped out, so the rest of European countries could cull whatever is left, and this would make more room for survivors.
You can pus the the logic of numbers anywhere, but it doesn't make them right in the slightest.

How many deaths are there now, a little under 200, according to the most wanked sources? The normal flu kills thousands each year. Hell, from what I've read it's not even sure if this is more dangerous then the normal flu. Last I read the figures are even being exaggerated, while WHO reports 12 deaths in Mexico, the Mexicans claim 176.

The only real explanation is that Mexicans are illiterate and can't count, so they make up numbers that sound nice without ever having been that far up in school.
There.

[Mike DiCenso]

How many deaths are there now, a little under 200, according to the most wanked sources? The normal flu kills thousands each year. Hell, from what I've read it's not even sure if this is more dangerous then the normal flu. Last I read the figures are even being exaggerated, while WHO reports 12 deaths in Mexico, the Mexicans claim 176.

Media sensationalist exaggeration that feeds off of initia over-estimates. This kind of thing happened with disasters such as Katrina and 9/11 where the early death tolls were much higher until government officials, both Federal and local were able to determine the actual numbers weeks after the events occurred.
-Mike

[PunkMaister]

Well whether or not this becomes the next spanish influeza pandemic or just media hype, the one thing that is for certain is that it has now arrived at our very shores!

[Mr. Oragahn]

Dun Dun Dun

Eat well (not the shit that 90% Americans eat on a daily routine), sleep well, do sport, and think about the necessity of that flu shot.

[PunkMaister]

Dun Dun Dun

Eat well (not the shit that 90% Americans eat on a daily routine), sleep well, do sport, and think about the necessity of that flu shot.

You really don't like anything about the Americans do you Mr O?

[Narsil]

Give foreigners a reason to like America, and we'll like them. No, having the biggest guns in the world is not a reason to like someone. Having the worst health care in a first world country is also not a reason to actually like someone. As I'm European, British at that, and portrayed by most of the American media for the past hundred years as evil and villainous, I'll keep the secrets of how to be a nice and liked nation to myself.

I'll just give a wee tip; it involves diplomacy and progressiveness.

[PunkMaister]

Give foreigners a reason to like America, and we'll like them. No, having the biggest guns in the world is not a reason to like someone. Having the worst health care in a first world country is also not a reason to actually like someone. As I'm European, British at that, and portrayed by most of the American media for the past hundred years as evil and villainous, I'll keep the secrets of how to be a nice and liked nation to myself.

I'll just give a wee tip; it involves diplomacy and progressiveness.

It sounds more like you are mad at the fact that long ago somehow 13 little colonies revolted against your country won and eventually they became the world's most powerful nation. That your country at one time literally used to run the world and now they are next to nothing in the scheme of things, yeah I suppose that would incense just about anyone...