A challenge to Trekkies

[Picard]

OK, thanks. I'll respond there.

EDIT: You might also respond to rest of my post when you catch time.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

It is certainly implied in the episode that after 1 hour and 45 minutes the enterprise is going to destroy all the cities ect and that it would be if not instant a very quick process. If they had said

"This is the commander of the U.S.S. Enterprise. All cities and installations on Eminiar 7 have been located, identified, and fed into our fire control system. In 1 hour and 45 minutes, WE WILL BEGIN TO DESTROY the entire inhabited surface of your planet.. You have that long to surrender your hostages."

then we can say that a certain amount of time is going to pass before all are destroyed, however they said:

"This is the commander of the U.S.S. Enterprise. All cities and installations on Eminiar 7 have been located, identified, and fed into our fire control system. In 1 hour and 45 minutes, the entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed. You have that long to surrender your hostages."

And as such it supports the fact that with al the targets identified/painted ect that the Enterprise can destroy them almost instantly the time is up.

Any comments regarding a single ISD destroying a planet give no time frame although we do know that it took 3 ISD's to destroy a small rebel base and even that destruction left survivors that needed "mnopping up". So while gven enough time a ISD maybe able to devistate a planets cities and population ect the job is not particularly thorough and the time frame for doing so is exceedingly long.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

Since I have I gotten so much heat for not getting to this, let's bump it. Note that I am very busy, but please link or repost arguments you want me to respond to.

It will be a while before I can respond them, though. Most alleged contradictions of the ICS are:

1. The asteroid collision, a kiloton level asteroid destroyed the bridge tower! This ignores that the shields were down, that kinetic resistance is unrelated to thermal resistance and that ST has even lower end hull showings, like being penetrated by megajoules yes, megajoules.

2. An unquantified scene in TCW where an asteroid field is used as cover; the contradiction is apparently that gigaton weapons would have cleared this field with ease, a claim that is not supported or backed up, at all.


3. A BDZ quote that usually ends up actually supporting high end figures, such as dankayo's atmosphere ripping feat.



What's more, there are no solid contradictions of industrial might other than whining about CW figures and low fleet sizes in T canon, apparently handwaving the Death Star to have been built by a wizard or something.

No solid counters to hyperdrive other than some C canon quotes attempting to counter G canon showings.

Few attempts to explain how the Federation counters superweapons.

Even fewer to explain how the Federation with its warp drive could actually mount an offensive in any reasonable amount of time.

[Mike DiCenso]

Actually, the quote is this:

SCOTT [OC]: All cities and installations on Eminiar Seven have been located, identified, and fed into our fire-control system. In one hour and forty five minutes

[Bridge]

SCOTT: The entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed.

Scotty doesn't say they'll begin to destroy the surface of Eminiar Seven. He says that they will destroy it at that time. As in very quick and instantaneously.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

It wouldn't be so much of a farce if you actually tried not to look so desperate. I'm also surprised that you pulled the same objection about the TCWS asteroid field argument.

1. The asteroid collision, a kiloton level asteroid destroyed the bridge tower! This ignores that the shields were down, that kinetic resistance is unrelated to thermal resistance...

Good that few people still make this mistake.
Besides, you're forgetting that mass drivers are rated as highly powerful in the ICS, and let's not forget that SW has concussion weapons which are precisely supposed to cause shockwaves.

I can't understand why you're being so mediocre and delusional in your arguments. It's not like we didn't give the whole "Saxtonian books" series a new hole a long time ago.

... and that ST has even lower end hull showings, like being penetrated by megajoules yes, megajoules.

It also has hulls heated up to tens of thousands of K and not melting, as well as doing quite well against direct impact from torpedoes which would easily be in the terajoule range or more, the later pretty much proved by most of Star Trek.
Oh boy, isn't that some trolling in fact?
We know that the UFP has hand phasers capable of producing some low megajoule bolts on the some of the highest settings, and said volleys can be stopped by some alloys used to build heavy doors.
From Enterprise we know that the 01 had half terajoule phase cannons and could already saturate and blast some same sized pieces of rock. Even Wong's website has references of shuttles having low GJ / high MJ firepower capacities, and those ships can't do much against bigger ones.
In ENT, we also have their photonic torpedoes which can be dialed up to put 3 miles wide craters in asteroids I think, and a Klingon ship with minimal shielding, or almost none, still needed two or three of those up its ass to get done at once.

2. An unquantified scene in TCW where an asteroid field is used as cover; the contradiction is apparently that gigaton weapons would have cleared this field with ease, a claim that is not supported or backed up, at all.

I don't take visuals down to the letter, but the overall idea still remains that large asteroids were clearly identified as a very effective cover against the fire of Republican cruisers.

It goes without saying that these asteroids would have had to be moon sized to begin providing cover against a deluge of teraton-level bolts.
This is not complicated at all. Why the heck are you still coming back to that? Are you Vympel in disguise or something?
I don't think even he would dare being so repetitive.

3. A BDZ quote that usually ends up actually supporting high end figures, such as dankayo's atmosphere ripping feat.

Oh, is that you now rebooting the same arguments you brought in the BDZ thread ... well, which actually were merged into the BDZ thread because you couldn't care posting in the right place and reading the damn thread? Is that you? Not seeing that the Dankayo case has been settled as well? I provided far more information in the BDZ thread here about Dankayo than you'll ever find over the whole rest of Internet, and especially not at SBC or SDN. Care to update your program, sir?

No solid counters to hyperdrive other than some C canon quotes attempting to counter G canon showings.

Solid facts such as Padmé's yatch being slow as hell? Or Grievous super fishy ship sucking to circumvent a nebula at full speed?

No, it's quite clear that the best speeds are achieved within conditions which aren't very clear, and most of the time, only happen when Jedi or Sith are involved in some fashion or another.
That and the fact that some hyperspace routes can be effectively mined meaning that the travel paths aren't so open than some would love to think.

Few attempts to explain how the Federation counters superweapons.

The UFP seems to have its own funny toys locked up. That said, it is correct that I'm not sure how the UFP could handle superlaser based weapons or heavy cruisers.

Even fewer to explain how the Federation with its warp drive could actually mount an offensive in any reasonable amount of time.

Please define reasonable, because it seems that from what is claimed for Voyager, that trips can be significantly reduced once the path is entirely mapped.
However, warp is not magic stealth, and it's possible that the warp distortion of UFP ships headed for some prime target in the Core Worlds would be spotted by any station keeping an eye on what's going in space.

[Mike DiCenso]

Since I have I gotten so much heat for not getting to this, let's bump it. Note that I am very busy, but please link or repost arguments you want me to respond to.

It will be a while before I can respond them, though. Most alleged contradictions of the ICS are:

1. The asteroid collision, a kiloton level asteroid destroyed the bridge tower! This ignores that the shields were down, that kinetic resistance is unrelated to thermal resistance and that ST has even lower end hull showings, like being penetrated by megajoules yes, megajoules.

Which you have provided no real proof of in either case. Please prove that the shields were down for that ISD. Please provide proof, and detailed calculations that we all here can review that show that Trek ships take damage from megajoules.

Even if we grant the first one, just to be generous, the fact remains that SW ships hulls are very fragile.

2. An unquantified scene in TCW where an asteroid field is used as cover; the contradiction is apparently that gigaton weapons would have cleared this field with ease, a claim that is not supported or backed up, at all.

The asteroid ring in TCW's "Downfall of Droid" is very easily quantified, and has been reviewed extensively here. With hundreds of gigatons per shot, those Venators and Munificents should have utterly blown them away. Again, several people here have gone over this in detail. Why you cannot just accept that and move on is beyond me.

3. A BDZ quote that usually ends up actually supporting high end figures, such as dankayo's atmosphere ripping feat.

It does? How long did it take the three ISDs to remove that atmosphere? Why, if that is what a happened, is Dankayo's surface described as "evenly cratered", not reduced to molten lava? Why was it that several surface structures as well as the computer rooms of the rebel base survive intact after the bombardment? Why did the Imperials even bother sending troops down, if the bombardment was as energetic as you claim?

What's more, there are no solid contradictions of industrial might other than whining about CW figures and low fleet sizes in T canon, apparently handwaving the Death Star to have been built by a wizard or something.

No one is handwaving anything away. We have gone into great detail why the Death Stars are unique in all of Star Wars, especially G-canon.

No solid counters to hyperdrive other than some C canon quotes attempting to counter G canon showings.

Also false. The G-canon ANH novelization tells us that it takes three weeks to travel round trip from Tatoonie to Alderaan and back again. The distances in the G-canon Galaxy are are not the same as those claimed for the same destinations in the EU. This again has been gone over in great detail with you.

Furthermore, people have shown that in T-canon as well as C-canon, hypedrive is limited by hyperlanes. If you cannot chart a hyperlane in the ST Milky Way galaxy, or if they are blockaded in the SW Galaxy, then hyperdrive becomes useless.

Few attempts to explain how the Federation counters superweapons.

Counters which super weapons?

Even fewer to explain how the Federation with its warp drive could actually mount an offensive in any reasonable amount of time.

There has also been plenty of postulation put forth on that, again you are acting obtuse.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Oh wait, I decided to report SWvST over the Dankayo bit. It's such a blatant rinse and repeat case.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

It wouldn't be so much of a farce if you actually tried not to look so desperate. I'm also surprised that you pulled the same objection about the TCWS asteroid field argument.

Desperate? What desperation? The entire argument against the ICS rests on two scenes.

Good that few people still make this mistake.
Besides, you're forgetting that mass drivers are rated as highly powerful in the ICS, and let's not forget that SW has concussion weapons which are precisely supposed to cause shockwaves.

Really? Why don't you go ahead and name these mass drivers that you claim are rated highly in the ICS?

I can't understand why you're being so mediocre and delusional in your arguments. It's not like we didn't give the whole "Saxtonian books" series a new hole a long time ago.

That's the flaw in your argument against my behavior. You do not want me to argue anything that was, in your subjective opinion, "debunked" long ago. What?

It also has hulls heated up to tens of thousands of K and not melting, as well as doing quite well against direct impact from torpedoes which would easily be in the terajoule range or more, the later pretty much proved by most of Star Trek.
Oh boy, isn't that some trolling in fact?
We know that the UFP has hand phasers capable of producing some low megajoule bolts on the some of the highest settings, and said volleys can be stopped by some alloys used to build heavy doors.
From Enterprise we know that the 01 had half terajoule phase cannons and could already saturate and blast some same sized pieces of rock. Even Wong's website has references of shuttles having low GJ / high MJ firepower capacities, and those ships can't do much against bigger ones.
In ENT, we also have their photonic torpedoes which can be dialed up to put 3 miles wide craters in asteroids I think, and a Klingon ship with minimal shielding, or almost none, still needed two or three of those up its ass to get done at once.

It's so funny how you miss the point of my statement. Sure, Star Trek has high end hull durability showings, but so does Star Wars! And not just in C canon, either.

I don't take visuals down to the letter, but the overall idea still remains that large asteroids were clearly identified as a very effective cover against the fire of Republican cruisers.

It goes without saying that these asteroids would have had to be moon sized to begin providing cover against a deluge of teraton-level bolts.
This is not complicated at all. Why the heck are you still coming back to that? Are you Vympel in disguise or something?
I don't think even he would dare being so repetitive.

So then why don't you repost video, or post picture evidence? And what would be the yields you got from the incident? At what yield level do you think that the Republic fleet would not have been able to destroy the asteroid field in a reasonable amount of time? In other words, at least give educated guesses as to the implied yield of the incident, not some vague speculation that it couldn't be teratons.

Oh, is that you now rebooting the same arguments you brought in the BDZ thread ... well, which actually were merged into the BDZ thread because you couldn't care posting in the right place and reading the damn thread? Is that you? Not seeing that the Dankayo case has been settled as well? I provided far more information in the BDZ thread here about Dankayo than you'll ever find over the whole rest of Internet, and especially not at SBC or SDN. Care to update your program, sir?

Your stupid "i've already disproven that!" trick is getting old, Mr O. The dankayo quote explicitly states that the atmosphere of the planet was blown away by 3 ISD's, and we also know that base delta zeros occur in the span of a few hours.

Solid facts such as Padmé's yatch being slow as hell?

Why don't you do the math and logic by yourself instead of running to darkstar for help? Or have you ever sat down and contemplated darkstar's calculations? With 2,000 C engines, Obi Wan would have taken decades to reach Kamino, and he would have been dead of old age by ROTS.

Or Grievous super fishy ship sucking to circumvent a nebula at full speed?

And guess what? The films override your precious cartoon show.

No, it's quite clear that the best speeds are achieved within conditions which aren't very clear, and most of the time, only happen when Jedi or Sith are involved in some fashion or another.
That and the fact that some hyperspace routes can be effectively mined meaning that the travel paths aren't so open than some would love to think.

What's this, more speculation? Are you implying that Force users can magically speed up hyperdrives by several orders of magnitude?

The UFP seems to have its own funny toys locked up. That said, it is correct that I'm not sure how the UFP could handle superlaser based weapons or heavy cruisers.

You're not sure, but you're sure that the UFP is somehow going to win anyway, because...ah, that's already been debunked!

Please define reasonable, because it seems that from what is claimed for Voyager, that trips can be significantly reduced once the path is entirely mapped.
However, warp is not magic stealth, and it's possible that the warp distortion of UFP ships headed for some prime target in the Core Worlds would be spotted by any station keeping an eye on what's going in space.

It would take the Federation decades at the least to mount an invasion.

[Trinoya]

I'm honestly shocked this thread is still going, more than enough examples have been posted that SWST just never even bothered to even look at, much less address... it is clear he is never going to 'concede.' It may even be grounds for locking it at this point... <_<

Just an opinion, not a suggestion.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I'm honestly shocked this thread is still going, more than enough examples have been posted that SWST just never even bothered to even look at, much less address... it is clear he is never going to 'concede.' It may even be grounds for locking it at this point... <_<

Just an opinion, not a suggestion.

This is not SDN or spacebattles, so I'll calmly, nicely ask you to read this:

Since I have I gotten so much heat for not getting to this, let's bump it. Note that I am very busy, but please link or repost arguments you want me to respond to.

Before you start complaining about a bump that you didn't even read.

[Trinoya]

Oh, I read that, I was merely commenting on your type of behavior, and things not addressed that were from the first page even.


Personally: I think you'd be much, much better off making new threads to deal with specific issues.


Start with the ICS... a simple enough challenge. You can prove, in G and T material, that the guns even exist, right? I'm sure we have, in the ICS contradictions thread, proof that they don't.


Digressing: This is more of a thought experiment. The sooner you get organized the better off you, and the forum, will be in regards to your thread. If you really do intend to just continue on in this thread perhaps you would do well to start at the beginning and deal with the posts in order.


Or you could, simply put, drop this thread and try something more concise rather than such a general topic that will have your responses, and everyone elses sailing off in 30 directions.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

I don't need to prove that the Acclamators have guns. The ICS is approved by Lucasarts and, by extension, George Lucas himself, and if the ICS says that Acclamators have guns, the burden of proof shifts on the opposition to prove otherwise.

Besides, even if you don't believe that the Acclamators have guns, Victory class star destroyers certainly do, and the ROTS ICS quantifies its power reactor and the ability to divert almost all of its energy to heavy turbolasers, so your claim goes out the window in relevance.

[Trinoya]

My claim is the guns don't exist, as shown in the ICS contradictions thread... that is to say, on the acclamator model the guns simply are not there. That is a clear contradiction which disproves them.

I digress, you merely confirm a willful ignorance of accepted policy... if the guns do not exist on the model, which they don't, then they do not exist and any statement in regards to those guns is rendered moot. I don't care if there is another statement somewhere that you want to use to argue power generation, that's entirely fine... and a reasonable argument to make for such a thing. It still won't address what I've placed before you. Prove the guns exist... and naturally if you can't prove they exist in the higher level stuff then... well you have no choice but to accept that they don't.

btw, for reference sake:

There was a similar debate at Spacebattles: AOTC: Am I blind ?

Here are a few of the in that thread posted images:

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Fact is that neither in the movies nor in the series any quad laser turrets were shown although, if the ICS were correct, they should have been visible.

[StarWarsStarTrek]

There are two versions of the accalamator, and it seems as though one does not have guns. There's the acclamator 2 and the acclamator 1, as I recall.

And again, the lack of guns on some shown acclamators, something with can easily be explained by retractable turrets preventing one from accidentally going off or the earlier versions not having any, does not contradict reactor outputs or victory class star destroyers having guns and quantifiable power outputs.

[Mr. Oragahn]

It wouldn't be so much of a farce if you actually tried not to look so desperate. I'm also surprised that you pulled the same objection about the TCWS asteroid field argument.

Desperate? What desperation? The entire argument against the ICS rests on two scenes.

Which would already be more than enough, but it's actually more than that, and you're lying through your teeth. We covered more than enough evidence from the whole entire movie spectrum and it really goes beyond two scenes (one of which, excuse me, is actually from the TCWS if I follow you).
You can add the ship taht got blasted from a SPHA-T beam in the beginning of ROTS: the ship is clearly offering minimal resistance against the beam, and yet when the beam gets to hit in the inside (and never pops through the ship's arse), we're hardly granted any nuclear like explosion, despite the fact that the inside of a ship is full of weak sauce material and air.
The seismic mines gigaton yield? Debunked.
Slave-I's multi-megaton missiles? Debunked.
Obi-Wan's Delta-7 fighter tanking kilotons of firepower? Debunked.
There's probably some odd claim about the LAAT's firepower or hull strength or supposed shields that would be quicly debunked as well, going by what we saw in AOTC (and in TCWS, apparently distant megajoule flak easily breaks the glass window of the LAAT's cockpit).
TIE fighters clearly described as pursuing the Millennium Falcon and threaten Solo into stopping in the novelization, but with shots doing shit against the asteroid despite the MF having petawatt shielding and TIEs having kiloton firepower in the movie.
Same Millenium Falcon's hull actually threatened by the firepower of the E-11 gun brought by the Blizzard Force (that's from the novelization as well).

Good that few people still make this mistake.
Besides, you're forgetting that mass drivers are rated as highly powerful in the ICS, and let's not forget that SW has concussion weapons which are precisely supposed to cause shockwaves.

Really? Why don't you go ahead and name these mass drivers that you claim are rated highly in the ICS?

Point to you, I thought the stats for the Invisible Hand gave the point defense mass drivers a blast heat of 4.8 megatons, but although that figure is present, it's associated to ion cannons. In fact, there's not a single mention of those mass drivers in the ROTS:ICS.

I can't understand why you're being so mediocre and delusional in your arguments. It's not like we didn't give the whole "Saxtonian books" series a new hole a long time ago.

That's the flaw in your argument against my behavior. You do not want me to argue anything that was, in your subjective opinion, "debunked" long ago. What?

You see a flaw where there is only you not bringing anything new that would be worth challenging the reached conclusions, mostly because even your objections are nothing new. There is no point repeating ourselves just because you have decided to behave like a broken record and reboot every possible argument and deny the existence of valid observations.
For example, see the very first paragraph at the top of this post to have another example of your bad behaviour.
Things are starting to get problematic for you, because people have understood that now they have to actually keep notes of your methods.

It also has hulls heated up to tens of thousands of K and not melting, as well as doing quite well against direct impact from torpedoes which would easily be in the terajoule range or more, the later pretty much proved by most of Star Trek.
Oh boy, isn't that some trolling in fact?
We know that the UFP has hand phasers capable of producing some low megajoule bolts on the some of the highest settings, and said volleys can be stopped by some alloys used to build heavy doors.
From Enterprise we know that the 01 had half terajoule phase cannons and could already saturate and blast some same sized pieces of rock. Even Wong's website has references of shuttles having low GJ / high MJ firepower capacities, and those ships can't do much against bigger ones.
In ENT, we also have their photonic torpedoes which can be dialed up to put 3 miles wide craters in asteroids I think, and a Klingon ship with minimal shielding, or almost none, still needed two or three of those up its ass to get done at once.

It's so funny how you miss the point of my statement. Sure, Star Trek has high end hull durability showings, but so does Star Wars! And not just in C canon, either.

I don't recall anything particularly impressive about hulls in C canon. Care to cite some examples?
On my side, I remember the Invisible Hand's hull burning up in the atmosphere despite the fact that those incinerated areas never showed any sign of hits taken beforehand.

I don't take visuals down to the letter, but the overall idea still remains that large asteroids were clearly identified as a very effective cover against the fire of Republican cruisers.

It goes without saying that these asteroids would have had to be moon sized to begin providing cover against a deluge of teraton-level bolts.
This is not complicated at all. Why the heck are you still coming back to that? Are you Vympel in disguise or something?
I don't think even he would dare being so repetitive.

So then why don't you repost video, or post picture evidence?

Why should I need to? Don't you have seen that episode? There's plenty of clips on youtube, and the asteroids are roughly of the size of the warships themselves.

And what would be the yields you got from the incident?

Yields? Who's trying to get yields from that? No asteroid ever got blasted in that sequence. That's not the argument.

At what yield level do you think that the Republic fleet would not have been able to destroy the asteroid field in a reasonable amount of time?
In other words, at least give educated guesses as to the implied yield of the incident, not some vague speculation that it couldn't be teratons.

If you had any idea of what teratons are capable of, especially more than 800 of them (ICS numbers, all power diverted to guns), you wouldn't ask those stupid questions.
Just for your information, a 100 TT kinetic impact left a 180 km wide crater on the surface of our planet. Chicxulub, does that ring any bell?

Oh, is that you now rebooting the same arguments you brought in the BDZ thread ... well, which actually were merged into the BDZ thread because you couldn't care posting in the right place and reading the damn thread? Is that you? Not seeing that the Dankayo case has been settled as well? I provided far more information in the BDZ thread here about Dankayo than you'll ever find over the whole rest of Internet, and especially not at SBC or SDN. Care to update your program, sir?

Your stupid "i've already disproven that!" trick is getting old, Mr O. The dankayo quote explicitly states that the atmosphere of the planet was blown away by 3 ISD's, and we also know that base delta zeros occur in the span of a few hours.

Oh, you do insist in trying to reboot the Dankayo debate again.
It's been covered. Read the damn BDZ thread and bring fresh arguments or shut up.
In the meantime, I'm again reporting you.
If you have anything smart or new to add, you know where to post that, although I'm pretty much sure you won't bring anything worthwhile to the table.

Solid facts such as Padmé's yatch being slow as hell?

Why don't you do the math and logic by yourself instead of running to darkstar for help?

I don't give a shit that "Darkstar" did the maths as long as the maths are right.
Sorry if you just can't understand them, no matter how simple they are.
We're given a distance and we see how long it takes for them to get from point A to point B.

Or have you ever sat down and contemplated darkstar's calculations? With 2,000 C engines, Obi Wan would have taken decades to reach Kamino, and he would have been dead of old age by ROTS.

And as I said, sometimes, ships happen to cover certain distances very fast. And as I said, there has to be reasons behind that if we don't want to conveniently dismiss the evidence from the same movie.

Or Grievous super fishy ship sucking to circumvent a nebula at full speed?

And guess what? The films override your precious cartoon show.

And the same movie precisely has an instance of a ship being slow as hell: a reference you just tried to deny because you don't like it.
Ha.

No, it's quite clear that the best speeds are achieved within conditions which aren't very clear, and most of the time, only happen when Jedi or Sith are involved in some fashion or another.
That and the fact that some hyperspace routes can be effectively mined meaning that the travel paths aren't so open than some would love to think.

What's this, more speculation? Are you implying that Force users can magically speed up hyperdrives by several orders of magnitude?

In the RPG, it was pointed out that Jedi can use the Force for astrogation.
Couple this with main hyperspace routes, along some ships having shabby hyperdrives, and you could have an explanation regarding the difference of speeds.
What matters in the end is the existence of that difference of speeds.
The highest speed I can think of is Palpatine coming to the rescue of Vader in ROTS. It's even way faster than Darth Maul's trip from Coruscant to Naboo for example.

The UFP seems to have its own funny toys locked up. That said, it is correct that I'm not sure how the UFP could handle superlaser based weapons or heavy cruisers.

You're not sure, but you're sure that the UFP is somehow going to win anyway, because...ah, that's already been debunked!

Did I say they'd win?

Please define reasonable, because it seems that from what is claimed for Voyager, that trips can be significantly reduced once the path is entirely mapped.
However, warp is not magic stealth, and it's possible that the warp distortion of UFP ships headed for some prime target in the Core Worlds would be spotted by any station keeping an eye on what's going in space.

It would take the Federation decades at the least to mount an invasion.

Not necessarily. All depends on where they start from. As amply pointed out, space along hyperspace routes is well known. That's quite the advantage that's easy to exploit here. I pretty much doubt it would take decades, but more something like a few years tops at full speed, with a sufficiently well charted path.
Now, I'll leave that to others, since I can't shrug off the nagging idea that you're just rebooting the whole FTL thing as well.