What I see is that in more than a century of Federal activity, there's been very little conclusive efforts, as far as we can see, to have Starfleet represent a fair share of all members' forces and naval industries, and that most of it is in human hands.sonofccn wrote:I guess I'm a little unsure of the point of this thread.
If it was to point out the lack of aliens in starfleet that has of course already been observed and theroys equally good or bad submitted.
You also talk about how the goverment is designed which implies to me at least your wondering if the Federation is a humans only club that bullies lesser species, the Hegemony of Man jibe and all. In that regard seems a little silly.
There seems to be a certain level of mistrust, with other member worlds maintaining their own fleets. The result of this proacted exclusion is a fleet's assets being largely under human responsability, and control.
The defense of the UFP was assured by Terran made ships, again, with a good amount of human crews, and above all human captains and admirals.
This lack of balance is distressing in a way, especially since it provides all the cards for the basis to foment a coup over several years.
Get a secretly xenophobic human president at the helm, raise trading tensions here and there between alien worlds and human worlds, have agents on both sides stir trouble and grow resentiment against alien species, have ex-Maquis leaders pose as their former selves, reactivate past cells, resume their role as leaders, and turn ex-Maquis forces into the armed branch of a new political movement that would oppose the supremacy of humans over the Federation.
Let the President pretend he's doing his best to fight the new Maquis, while using UFP resources to arm it, notably via Section 31 (which would proably need to start a new branch and start getting new members who would be recruited among a pool of potentials, who'd clearly show a grudge towards non-humans).
Speaking of which, prepare new Amendments, or the equivalent name for modifications applied to Starfleet Charter's 14th Article, Section 31, which would extend the nature of threats to the Federation, including non-humans, dissidents and anyone suspected of having ties with them.
Keep those modifications under the arm, and prepare a couple of false flag assaults on some planets, some involving the Maquis, others involving allied fleets of so-called alien ships (largely bought, captured or disguised as non-human vessels). Among the assaulted planets, one would be wisely chosen to be the perfect martyr world.
Destroy the Federation Council's building and the President's Office, and pretend that, say, the Maquis is behind those agressions, or any other enemy force that would seem likely.
Also, at some point, the enemy will officially retaliate, and as such, if there's any need to convince humans of the Federation even more, then wait to be aware of the approach of enemy forces towards a colony, and barely intervene, while putting enough pressure on the enemy force to be sure that they'll strike the mightest force.
Obviously, thoughout the escalation of the conflict, progressively put those modifications you kept under your arm into application.
At that point, you should be able to establish a form of martial law or new totalitarian government for the preservation and interests of the human race.
Considering that you worked from a situation where most military ships were under human control anyway, with a very low alien representation, your work was rather easy to boot.
The aliens certainly don't seem to have the will, desire, or capacity to access to the vast bulk of Starfleet's assets either.The federation has almost no power over it's indiviual members. A member planet is not apparently even throughly checked out, the cloud minders fisasco, and as long as that world has abolished slavery and isn't shoving people into disintergration booths you can do whatever you want. As been pointed out the Federation president is not human and we see alien high ranking officers typically when we see the upper echelons. Aliens just don't have the will, or desire, to do the grunt work.
Precisely. The seeds of conflicts were just brushed under the carpet. Man, the fan fiction! :DWhile the exact reason for humanity becoming the core of the Federation has never been directly stated (ENT) did give us some clues. Our of the founding members the Vulcans were at least hated by the Andorians if not the Telleriates and in addition were undergoing a regiem change and down sizing. The Andorians hated the Telleriates and the Telleriates hated the Andorians neither one would have wanted the other to take up the military arm of the Federation. Humans on the other hand were a rapidly expanding young race that had treated all parties reasonably honorably and did not have decades if not centuries of grudges to settle. Humanity was the best option with the various members keeping thier fleets "pure", keep in mind while we see aliens on Federation vessels the majority alien vessels are wholly one race. I've never heard of a Vulcan ship having Telleriates on board or any other race.But you can still find legions or bataillions still belonging to one country in particular, and above all, you don't have the new guys on the block taking the reign of the union. For the Federation, the humans were catching up, and yet they still attained the central role of the USA enjoyes in an organ like NATO for example.
Considering the power of Bajor and how it was curbed, aside from some few defense ships we saw quite some time ago, I don't see anything meaningful to oppose to the countless terran starbases and shipyards.I'm a little curious to know how you know that. We rarely ever see member worlds and are not privy to what thier defense force, if any, consist of. I don't think we know that if Bajor had become a member if a few older style starships might have been aquired or not.But they're still Earth-style ships, that's quite telling, and contrary to the T-34s, they're not sold to other forces.
The whole reason story goes well in the Federation is because humans are fair.
If for some reason, that fairness was to fade away, the results would be absolutely terrible, in my opinion and from what I saw, for non-humans.
Of course, I'm not saying this is a plan, the result of a malignous will. But my point is that if such evil was to raise, there's quite a lot of the work that's already done.Mr. Oragahn wrote:The point is that the alien members of the Federation seem to relinquish their role in the Starfleet to a large degree.
The Federation is a bizarre entity, really.
All we know is that they don't participate in the military wing of the Federation, such as it is, which to me since we know of no regulations prohibiting it suggest cultural stagnation or other alien based reasons for not join up rather then some insidious Terran ploy to gain power over the universe.
