Mike DiCenso wrote:Except that the point is that the 3 weeks is not the time it takes for them to get there. It is the time to get, plus turnaround at Alderaan, and then the trip home. You and others keep missing this. Furthermore, I'am not coming up with anything convoluted, just pointing out that the novelization has information about the character's intent that is not available in the film due to time constraints.
No, this is not the problem.
Besides, taking 1.5 weeks to make Tatooine -> Alderaan, and then the same time, roughly, to go back... is not likely, even if Alderaan had been on the distant other side of the galaxy, somewhere in an arm.
Simply speaking, there is no contradiction to the three weeks simply because there is nothing in the movie that does contradict it. Han's original plan to collect the money at Alderaan from Ben and the Alderaanian government simply got derailed as soon as it became apparent that the planet was destroyed, and then they get captured by the Death Star. The novelization simply let us in on this where the movie cannot.
I don't know why you can't wrap your head around it.
-Mike
Simple. My question: does the movie allow for Han to have spoken those words?
If no, then they never left his mouth, the book is wrong, as it would then, have put words in Han's mouth he never and could never have pronounced.
That's my position. As I can't verify on my own, that's why I'm asking you to tell me if Han could have said these words like they're put in the book.
Instead of coming with a simple reply, you obviously keep evading the question, which in my opinion is done because you don't seem to accept the resulting conclusion.
Kane Starkiller wrote:Mr. Oragahn wrote:I'm not sure he meant next day as day x+2, as within: day x (now), day x+1 (tomorrow) and day x+2 (next day).
I think next day was, well, just what you get just after midnight has ticked.
No what he meant to say is that dawn at which Anakin embarks for Geonosis and dawn at which Mace talks with Yoda are two different dawns. Therefore he concludes that it took at least 21 hours for Anakin and Amidala to get there. He doesn't explain why we should assume that those are two different dawns. It is obvious that it is one and the same dawn unless Mace waited 21 hours to finally decide to send help to Obi-Wan. Thus the actual trip was no more than an hour or so.
I see the problem here. The lighting in the senate scene at dawn seems rather faint, while it should be definitively brighter than what it was when all the club was having a meeting at Palpatine's office, while looking the late relayed message from Obi-Wan.
Sunrises are rather fast, and no matter transport Windu would have took, the mere fact of leaving Palpatine's office, and going into the alcove to meet Yoda, would a good number of minutes.
Even more, since Yoda was already there, while both Windu and Yoda were in the same room when Obi-Wan's message arrived.
In terms of bureaucracy, it is believable that it would take several hours to organize the senate session. Actually, I can't really picture, logically, such an important senate sessions occuring a mere tens of minute after the message scene.
Saying it is unlikely would be an understatement. What was about to happen in the senate is not something that occurs lightly. But, on the same hand, it is possible that a senate session was planned anyway, and about to start 15 minutes after the message scene.
It feels a tad rushed, but it could fit.
That said, if Robert's day long estimate is wrong, I don't see how those saying the dawns are the same could claim any travel time.
Because when the film leaves the senate, after Palpatine announcing the Grand Army and Yoda and Windu deciding what to do, there's no way to prove that Padmé and Anakin's arrival at Geonosis occurs immediately thereafter.
The camera cuts, and the cuts in SW are notorious for swallowing periods which can be rather long.
Robert's argumentation serves to show that the trip couldn't be quicker than X hours.
The rebuttal side, for a lack of better terms, has a good point as well, but can't prove much about the trip's duration anyway. Anakin and Padmé could have arrived at Geonosis while it could have been midday or even the afternoon at Coruscant, unless I missed a detail.
It could have occured the minute after we left the senate, an hour after, or many hours after.
No?
As a sidenote, Padmé says something along the lines that Windu and co won't be there (Geonosis) in time to save Obi-Wan, as they'd have to cross half the galaxy.
Which for one fits with the EU map, in terms of relative distance percentages.
Tatooine is extremely close to Geonosis, less than one parsec. So the distance between Tatooine and Coruscant is roughly half the galaxy, and that, again, Maul covered it in a matter of one day, more or less. I don't see a royal and diplomatic ship taking infinitely more time than that.
Another point: globally, I've noticed that the whole senatorial sector is lit at an angle of 45° around midday. When Anakin, Jar Jar and Padmé are in the damsel's apartments, the shadows are cast at 45°, and globally, considering the amount of lit scenes occuring before that scene, and the amount of lit scenes occuring after that scene, we're somewhere in the middle of the day.
This lighting angle can be found in multiple occasion in the senatorial sector.