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[2046]

it is being reported on io9 et al. that Abrams will do Star Wars. Twitter is exploding. Discuss.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Absolutely.
Not.
Surprising.

The latest ST movie was called the best SW movie since decades by many people.
At least it will be immensely enjoyable, despite some strange plot holes.
And absolutely, unbelievably cool.

Can't wait.

[Mike DiCenso]

I'll believe it when I hear that the contracts have been drawn up, signed, and the ink dried before I believe it.

But that being said, Abrams proved that he can do a better "Star Wars", even while doing Star Trek than Lucas can. J.J.'s Kirk would have made a much, much better Anakin than the whiny emo we got.
-Mike

[Praeothmin]

Yup, I'm ecstatic... :)

[2046]

One point worth making is that with the warp core explosion and planet-eating, Abrams is not afraid to go big. It will be interesting to see how he deals with Star Wars... he has the capacity to embiggen it way beyond the film and TCW representations.

[mojo]

here's hoping we don't get an even less complete, but larger and still completely functional death star 3.

[mojo]

i have to admit that i never saw the new st. i was actually still sort of irritated that it meant the end of the tng movies, which i enjoyed regardless of quality and plot/character holes compared to the tv series. it would have been nice at least to have had one more, so that the obvious 'data restored to life via retarded why-does-the-man-have-a-furry-face brother' plot point could have been concluded. it bugs me that the series ends with the 'death' of data.
was the tng franchise irredeemable? anybody have an opinion on how an abrams tng movie would've been?
also, and i am aware of the impossibility of such a thing happening, but i was always kind of hoping for a movie to include the return of lore. 'i am become death' would have been an awesome movie, imo.

off-topic, sorry.

[2046]

Well I still think it was a mistake that they didn't go with that Romulan War movie that was under discussion during the Berman era.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Tr ... _Beginning

That movie might actually have been good. Star Trek 2009 was a fun sci-fi action film but other than the first few minutes, it isn't worth watching.

See, folks act like Abrams is all that and a bag of chips, but (a) it is lazy storytelling to ignore canon, and (b) Star Trek lens-flared its audience so they couldn't see the gaping plot holes and basic silliness that were all over the place.

But again, I do think the first few minutes of that movie are Star Trek at its very best, so whatever.

The problem he will have now is that he has to stick to pre-existing Star Wars, as does the new writer, and I really don't know how that's gonna work given his track record.

[mojo]

do we know for a fact that there's no possibility of a reboot? abrams is locked in for a sequel? because, good lord, there would be so many star wars fans trying to assassinate the man before he could finish making the movie we'd be bumping into each other.

NEW STAR WARS DIRECTOR DEAD
ABRAMS SHOT 457,098 TIMES, STABBED 78,442 TIMES, SLICED IN HALF 12 TIMES BY SWORD, FORCED TO SWALLOW 14 GALLONS OF RAT POISON, COVERED IN GASOLINE AND SET AFLAME 9 TIMES.
ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY.

[Cocytus]

One point worth making is that with the warp core explosion and planet-eating, Abrams is not afraid to go big. It will be interesting to see how he deals with Star Wars... he has the capacity to embiggen it way beyond the film and TCW representations.

That makes me wonder. Will Abrams give BDZ the treatment the warsies so desperately want? Will we see a lone Star Destroyer slag a planet in 5 minutes or whatever it is?

[mojo]

no. we won't.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Old actors were already approached for the new Star Wars I think, beyond the mere "secret" meeting between Fisher, Hamill and Lucas like a year ago. Ford said he wouldn't mind.
That's like a bingo card and you know hollywood, going easy for cash these days, would certainly consider that very strongly, especially since Star Wars is far more dynamic and modern since day one. In a way, Lucas doing his updates helped maintain Star Wars lively and "polished", maintaining it away from Trek's TOS, which are so badly outdated.

The thing is, they have to find an enemy. And we know stormtroopers are expected in some fashion, even if we don't get the Imperial era ones.

We also know that there would probably be an attempt to make the new trilogy an echo of the two other ones.

Luke could now very well be the father, even if spiritual form. They could play the irony card on overdrive, with Sidious still around in some form, so it would almost connect the 7, 8 and 9 episodes to the prequel.
I can't even imagine the fun the writers must be having at throwing ideas left and right and see what sticks.

The latest trilogy would be a tale about Anakin's heritage and lessons to be taken from what happened.
Since it is Star Wars, they could easily go with the idea that the entire galaxy is in bigger turmoil as the Empire has fallen. There's plenty of potential there without having to follow anything of the EU at all.

I don't think superweapons would be a good thing tho. They should remain the fabric of a an empire of madmen who at some point had the power to gather the resources to build world-destroying machines.

If anything, the production of two death stars should make everybody very twitchy for the coming decades. Besides, the galactic state of affairs would more likely tend to provide terrain for a kind of battle setting similar to the prequels, fleets everywhere and alliances.

It could even be bigger than that. Most people think that a new Jedi Order would be built, but what if all the trilogy would be about doubt and judgement towards the Force users as a whole, with Luke being a hermit, perhaps even on the run, and, ironically enough, having adopted the Sith rule of one master and one apprentice and nothing else, on their own quest for... well something major, universe wise.
The new trilogy would perhaps be a story of with Luke and his friends regaining confidence in their abilities, while at the same time, by doing so, giving life to a new enemy who also uses the Force, and finally realizing that the cycle will keep repeating itself.
The trilogy would therefore not end with a new order of Force users, but with the complete eradication of Force users by finding the source of it all, of what created the first Force users to begin with.
In the final movie, they'd have the opportunity to seal off the "source" once and for all, but having the arch enemy of the trilogy and perhaps even traitors nearly make that plan fail.
It would be like erasing magic from Star Wars forever. Like Lord of the Rings and Mt Doom.
Perhaps the price to take away all the Force powers from Force users and other manifestations of the Force would take the sacrifice of Luke, put into a situation almost like Atlas' wherein he'd accept to support the seal of the source forever and make sure it stays in place. That or he dies doing so but finally "ascends" like all Force users, good or bad, back into the Force.

[Admiral Breetai]

the empire has collapsed, the Galaxy is rebuilding a much bigger place of many alliances and nation states, war lords originally made up of sector moffs and Grand Admirals and soon their descendants rule regions of the galaxy as their own little kingdoms..

The Jedi order under Luke has grown into the hundreds having grown in power over the last thirty years it's become the peace keeping order keeping force of a new republic (and a few other independent star nations that agree to their policing) the Galaxy now looks much like it did thousands of years in its ancient past.

and just when the old order was new, the young nascent Jedi face their first great Schism when the best and brightest of them fall to the dark side seeking order through force

first movie can focus on how fallen the galaxy has become, how shaken to its roots, how disordered. The growth and conflict of the order as some of the greatest masters take a "slay evil instantly and deliver justice by the sword no matter what" type mentality, and given the last sixty years this has a lot of support among those who lived through the empire and the chaos of the new era. The first movie can be about the tension between the opposing views of the council, the issues between Luke and Leia and their children (maybe with a twist like having Anakin instead of Jacen be the one to fall siding with the extreme faction) and war between the war lords and the new republic with the end of the movie being perhaps the extremist Jedi's murdering the warlords and "taking over" so to speak uniting whats left of imperial space under the rule of the lightsaber..Luke disagreeing and there being a huge schism

the second movie being mostly about the fall of these extremists, with them realizing that they sit on enough military equipment to bring order and justice to the stars..a war with the new republic and other stellar nations, as the two factions of Jedi clash..maybe have skywalker fight skywalker..with the end of the movie culminating with the extremist faction finally giving into the dark side..

the third movie being the build up too the final battle to wrest the galaxy free of these dark Jedi with them pushing them back maybe Anakin kills his brother or sister, pushing him beyond and the war ending with Luke and his order triumphing (with help from rebel forces within their own territories) at the end..maybe Lukes son or one of his first students becomes the grand master and the dark jedi fleeing in a damaged vessel

end of the movie can have the vessel crash land on a primitive planet with warrior like natives coming out to look at the exiles who smile knowing.

essentially a repeat of the first/second great schism

[2046]

Star Wars succeeded because it played to the times, and afterward people came back for the characters and story. This is why the prequels had trouble . . . TPM did not play to the times, though RotS sort of did, so it was all characters and they were about as exciting as Al Gore.

Star Trek '09 did not play to the times, but it did do enough characterization to make up for it.

It'll be interesting to see if the new guy just tells a story set in the Star Wars universe or if he actually tries to play to the times . . . in any case, though, I imagine we know a few characters.

[mojo]

why does everyone keep posting potential plotlines? any particular reason that one of the five billion eu stories isn't being considered?
zahn's original trilogy?
the yuuzhan vong?
what about the 'legacy of the force' series? luke, han, leia - all old enough in that story that the original actors would be able to seamlessly slide back into their old roles. this would make recasting their roles unnecessary, which in turn would make my head exploding like i was chewing on a piece of dynamite unnecessary. since legacy focuses on the next generation of jedi almost as much as the original characters, the pt/ot cast could be phased out over the course of the story, leaving a blank slate to draw on without destroying the sanity of old school fans.