I did watch Chuck's review after I watched the actual episode myself. Running away in a narrow corrider against guys with guns that want to kill you is usually pretty foolish. You don't run away from a mugger with a gun. What the redshirts should have done was to have stayed behind cover and kept the Vidians down with supression fire while waiting for reinforcements to arrive, and maybe, I don't know, somebody to close the blast doors, trapping the Vidians, and then to seal away the oxygen in the room?Mith wrote:
In other words, you're stealing shit from Chuck's reviews because you're too lazy to do your own damn legwork. Yes, the incident with Tuvok and the other security officer was outright pathetic. How they managed to catch them off guard in that situation is outright unthinkable--however, the following incident of crew members who clearly weren't security officers running to a fall back position is not nearly as bad.
As stated maybe five minutes afterwards, we're told that 347 Vidians had boarded Voyager--and more were on the way. As other's had stated, Voyager had ~140, probably less given casualties along the way. So the fact was that despite what Chuck said--running was probably the best answer given that there would be no way for the three crewmen to hold them off and they very likely could have been in danger of being flanked.
In other words, Voyager was losing the ship because it was outnumbered at least three to one.
Show me the military soldiers of Star Trek then, show me them fighting, and show me an example where they don't use the same stupid tactics that security officers (whom presumably would be trained in combat too, since, they're...you know, security officers) use.
Starfleet security officers are just that; security officers. They don't use grenades as per their standard armament. In war time though, it's a whole different ball game. And at least you could offer some leeway to Starfleet given how little use ground battles are to them in the overall picture (ie, orbiting ships means that all but key facilities are fought over as any orbiting ship will pick off the enemy army), where as in Star Wars, they have entire legions dedicated to large scale combat.
Yes, I do, but probably not as much as most of you here.
No? Do you even watch Star Trek?
Breaking discovery:That doesn't make any sense. You sort enemies based on priority--that's something they teach in you in the military, isn't it? The fact that the invading Imperial force wasn't aided by TIE fighters is more disturbing though. Those fighters could have pinned down those speeders nicely.
The OT ITW states that the AT-AT's were intent on taking prisoners rather than killing the rebels in the trench lines.
Obviously your love of ST has grown to the point in which you believe that you Trekkies are actually in the episodes and movies.Lul, what? The people who literally save the day half the time via technobabble need to learn ingenuity? Are you serious?
(Laughs at the irony of this statement)
No it isn't. In Attack of the Clones, the entire Clone Army led by the Jedi, charge straight in Neapolitan style ranking towards an enemy with semi-automatic weapons. The only thing that saved them was that the enemy literally could not aim worth shit.
Show me examples of combined arms tactics, then. Or mobile warfare. Or suppressive fire.=
It happens every so often yes, but at least when Trek fails, they fail at modern combat tactics. Not tactics that are centuries out of date.
Wesley has nearly killed the crew of the Enterprise before. R2 has become well known as being SW's deus ex machina, saving their asses multiple times in every movie.
Oh please. Wesley has fucked up and still come off as being superior to R2, like when he created an entire race of nanobots that infected the Enterprise D. Or when he built a tractor beam. Or when he modified the Enterprise D's warp engines to create an alternate universe--albeit a short lived one. Or every time they have a major problem, Wesley is always there to brainstorm with LaForge and Data.
He was a dork, but he was far more of an asset than an R2 unit.
So this not-too-bright girl not only got put in charge of among the premier vessels of the Federation, but also gets promoted to admiral? ROFLAMO. Is this supposed to help your case?That never happened on the Enterprise D. In fact, after Riker was abducted by mercenaries, even Troi--the least intelligent and competent person on the ship--stated that Riker's security codes were changed as per Starfleet protocol.
It was Janeway, who for some reason didn't change Seska's security codes when she left the ship. Why she didn't is a rather unusual thing, but then Janeway was never all that bright to begin with.
Show me examples of "regular" aircraft carriers the US has still active in service, then.
The United States has much more than 12 aircraft carriers. It has 12 supercarriers--yes, that's true. But those supercarriers aren't all that great in a firefight. In fact, due to their size and bulk, supercarriers suck in battle. That's why supercarriers travel in groups with destroyers and cruisers, who can protect the supercarrier from other ships.
And the US has hundreds of naval ships stationed around the world, not to mention submarines.
Furthermore, you have the misconception that carriers are somehow supposed to "engage in combat". Depending on what you mean by this, your statement that they suck in combat is either entirely untrue or completely irrelevant.
You bullshit. Can the Federation travel tens of millions of times the speed of light? Can it generate enough energy to scatter a planet's mass at escape velocity? Can it build a moon sized battlestation and accelerate it around a gas giant in 30 minutes? Notice how Picard and the crew were completely fascinated by the ability of a shield generator to project a shield to a bunch of ships up in space...oh my.Exactly, there is. And Starfleet and the Dominion both easily surpassed the Empire in technological capability.
What's more, Phd Physicist Michio Kaku mentions the Federation as a type 2 civilization and the Empire as a type 3 civilization.
And surely SW doesn't have those either...oh, no, they do, don't they?The Dominion is so advanced that they can create supernova
Your mastery of the technobabble has not saved you from 200 gigaton turbolasers. What is this "hydrogen-enhancement" technology and how is it relevant at all?and we already know that Starfleet can at least create novas with their hydrogen-enhancement technology.
By claiming that the Federation and the Dominion would be willing to work together to take down the Empire, you are admitting that the Empire is a greater threat than either of them would be.Hell, if the two of them are working together, either of their ship could deploy such a weapon.
I know, eh? Wasn't that such a sad episode when the dominion came in armed with the star-busting torpedos and blew up Sol? Wouldn't it be far more dramatic if they had a giant battle next to a wormhole while they get amnesia and forget about the treknologies of the week?Such things can be deployed by their own weapon systems too, such as torpedoes--and not rely on a massive, bulky station that costs a shit load of cash, time, and resources to build.
Silly you, now you're claiming that the Federation would simply reverse engineer hyperdrive because...because they could! Oh, no, Star Wars could not reverse engineer transporters or replicators because...because...gah!
Most god-like beings didn't really do jack shit to help Voyager out other than paltry assistance. Kes was the only real example of a "super-being" who was willing to help them out to some degree and she only pushed them a few thousand light years.
Even so, it doesn't really matter. Any Founder is going to be able to find someone to buy the tech off of. And given that gold can be replicated and is valued at 10 credits a gram...well, guess how long it'll take for them to find someone to not only give them the working technology, but the means to replicate it.
About as stupid as someone whose incapable of even reading a the wikipedia entry on Memory Alpha or Wikipedia to realize that Voyager wasn't sent out into unknown space by Starfleet, but rather was snatched up by an alien being with highly advanced technology.
It's that kind of stupid.
Janeway had a device right in front of her that could have sent her and her crew back home. She didn't use it, because she was an idiot. But she still got promoted to Admiral, because Starfleet needs more idiots in command.
