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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:17 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:You know, Breetai, although we're dealing with a troll in my opinion, it would honestly be better if you could provide a short post that proves your point with links. There won't be any denial possible after that, even if SWST claims that it's all lies and that he did behave.
I'd be more willing to do that if I knew he was gonna get what he deserved as opposed to being bailed out all the time

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Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:59 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:You know, Breetai, although we're dealing with a troll in my opinion, it would honestly be better if you could provide a short post that proves your point with links. There won't be any denial possible after that, even if SWST claims that it's all lies and that he did behave.
You know, Mr. Oragahn, when breetai does the EXACT SAME THING that you accuse me of doing, you talk to him in this sweet tone as if it's ok because he's a trekkie.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:53 pm

Admiral Breetai wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:You know, Breetai, although we're dealing with a troll in my opinion, it would honestly be better if you could provide a short post that proves your point with links. There won't be any denial possible after that, even if SWST claims that it's all lies and that he did behave.
I'd be more willing to do that if I knew he was gonna get what he deserved as opposed to being bailed out all the time
Just try, and we'll see. I mean, if after this little work, the mods don't do anything, then I think you'll have all rights to bitch and moan, no? :)
The principle tool of the person you have a problem with is tracking his methods, where and how many times he repeats/reboots the arguments, posts and evidence that get ignored, etc.
Only keep tabs on his activity will allow you to mount of believable case. From there, objectively, anyone will be able to tell if you're right. I began to do it myself, and all he can do now that he's cornered is just complain and lie a lot, which is all I needed.
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Mr. Oragahn wrote:You know, Breetai, although we're dealing with a troll in my opinion, it would honestly be better if you could provide a short post that proves your point with links. There won't be any denial possible after that, even if SWST claims that it's all lies and that he did behave.
You know, Mr. Oragahn, when breetai does the EXACT SAME THING that you accuse me of doing, you talk to him in this sweet tone as if it's ok because he's a trekkie.
He's far more honest than you, that's why.
At first I gave you chances. I didn't even care much if you were just obtuse, but soon I understood that it was more than that.
In the grand scheme of things, I think you didn't add much to the forum, so I wouldn't mind if you'd were gone.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:12 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote: He's far more honest than you, that's why.
Hey, an unsupported claim! So it's ok to "sometimes" refuse to post links?


Claims Breetai has made (and I can find links if you so desire):

That the Galactic Republic has no police force
That the Jedi do the day to day policing of the Galactic Republic, despite the fact that there are more planets than there are Jedi
That the Galactic Republic spends NO MONEY in building infrastructure or maintaining those giant, mountain dwarfing skyscrapers
That the Republic is full of chaos outside of a select few worlds, and is lawless
That the maximum range of SW ships is a few hundred meters
That ST ships can blow the atmosphere off of planets with one shot
That the Federation can build stars
That the film-novels are not canon. I stated that GL supports them...his response? That he doesn't care.
That TCW have precedence over the G canon film-novels
That calculations are invalid due to being fanmade
That anything not shown on screen, even implicit events, did not happen
That any Mike Wong says is automatically invalidated (translation: he doesn't understand the very basic calculations that Mike uses in that calc). If you have a better textbook example of a red herring, please do so supply it.
That the Federation has superior industrial capacity compared to the Empire.



By the way, he was lying when he claimed that he "already discussed" the pre cog with me. You can go to the Jedi vs White Council thread and look over it if you want proof.



Jeez. Your stupid circle-jerk of being disturbingly polite to anyone that blatantly lies (claiming that Lando stated to engage the ISD's at "max range" when he really said "point blank range) because "he's more honest than you" is stupid, and you should know it.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:02 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote: He's far more honest than you, that's why.
Hey, an unsupported claim! So it's ok to "sometimes" refuse to post links?


Claims Breetai has made (and I can find links if you so desire):
oh look there you go lying again also you have problems with definitions it seems as your confusing a lie for " a claim made based off evidence"


StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the Galactic Republic has no police force
bullshit I said that they barely had any presence outside of the richer worlds both legally and militarily and guess what? I'm right the movies back thisup

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the Jedi do the day to day policing of the Galactic Republic, despite the fact that there are more planets than there are Jedi
and aside from minor local security shown in the films and senate guards?
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the Galactic Republic spends NO MONEY in building infrastructure or maintaining those giant, mountain dwarfing skyscrapers
a decaying bloated august society barely able to hold onto power yeah

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:]That the Republic is full of chaos outside of a select few worlds, and is lawless
backed up by major plot points...numerous character statements and an entire fucking civil war

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the maximum range of SW ships is a few hundred meters
you failing to refute this does not mean a lie
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That ST ships can blow the atmosphere off of planets with one shot
no I said accidentally ripped off if not careful..from Le forges own mouth no less
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the Federation can build stars
they revived dead ones twice and stabilized a second one
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That the film-novels are not canon. I stated that GL supports them...his response? That he doesn't care.
in the context of our debate going by consistent feats
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That TCW have precedence over the G canon film-novels
on screen evidence is the primary medium thus valid over all
StarWarsStarTrek wrote: That calculations are invalid due to being fanmade
most forums support this policy outside of space battles SDN and a few others
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:That anything not shown on screen, even implicit events, did not happen
picard and DS seem to share this view you gonna call them liars too?
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:]That any Mike Wong says is automatically invalidated (translation: he doesn't understand the very basic calculations that Mike uses in that calc). If you have a better textbook example of a red herring, please do so supply it.
you mean my "because he is biased I give not a damn" rant nice job insulting my intelligence while ranting too that's against the rules
StarWarsStarTrek wrote: That the Federation has superior industrial capacity compared to the Empire.
this isn't a lie this is a claim made based off evidence and you failed to actually debunk it others did a good job..you didn't that isn't my fault nor is it my problem nor does it make it a lie



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StarWarsStarTrek wrote: By the way, he was lying when he claimed that he "already discussed" the pre cog with me. You can go to the Jedi vs White Council thread and look over it if you want proof.
you mean like the other times we discussed it? that time you had an emotional break down about Sidious loosing to kun? or how in that cool thread about the nazgul many of us went at you multiple times tearing apart your precog claims..and you got caught dismissing and lying to an extent even your fellow warises abandoned you..besides..friggen leo1 who completely ignored you any ways?
StarWarsStarTrek wrote: Jeez. Your stupid circle-jerk of being disturbingly polite to anyone that blatantly lies (claiming that Lando stated to engage the ISD's at "max range" when he really said "point blank range) because "he's more honest than you" is stupid, and you should know it.
continuing to distort evidence I see

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:38 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Jeez. Your stupid circle-jerk of being disturbingly polite to anyone that blatantly lies (claiming that Lando stated to engage the ISD's at "max range" when he really said "point blank range) because "he's more honest than you" is stupid, and you should know it.
Hey watch it with the insulting language. You know better. This is worth another warning.
-Mike

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Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:36 pm

So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.

Why is calling someone a troll, calling someone a liar and claiming that they threw a temper tantrum not insults in your eyes?

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:17 pm

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.
Everybody gets warnings. I even got banned for pushing the limits too far in some thread about transsexuals.
Quit the paranoia.

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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:08 pm

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.

Why is calling someone a troll, calling someone a liar and claiming that they threw a temper tantrum not insults in your eyes?
What Mr. Oragahn said. You've been here a while, and you've been warned before about tossing insults on one prior occasion. That prior occasion was one of the two warnings that JMS upheld against you.

You are not a noob anymore. You've been here six going on seven months. The people calling you a troll are actually doing so because they actually consider your behavior to date trolling. Their reasons are for the most part good ones for why they consider you one, and you would do well to pay attention to them.

-Stop ignoring contrary evidence.

-Provide evidence to back your claims.

-Provide calculations, most preferably your own.

-Stop starting new threads on the drop of a hat.

-Stop endlessly repeating the same tired old cut-and-paste SDN mantras that have been long since debunked.

Just simply not calling people names is not enough.
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Post by Mike DiCenso » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:17 pm

Mr. Oragahn wrote:
StarWarsStarTrek wrote:So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.
Everybody gets warnings. I even got banned for pushing the limits too far in some thread about transsexuals.
Quit the paranoia.
Kor, Breetai, Mojo, and KSW have also been warned as well as banned long before now for their behavior. Most especially KSW and Mojo for their sock puppet antics.
-Mike

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Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:43 pm

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:So, Mike, you can say with all honesty that nobody else has ever made insults like that? Because I don't see any warnings for them.]
I've been taken to the chopping block many times as has every one here so this a flat out lie

StarWarsStarTrek wrote: Why is calling someone a troll, calling someone a liar and claiming that they threw a temper tantrum not insults in your eyes?
those are called accurate summations of your conduct and behavior not an insult

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Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:02 am

So Mike, if you "call someone a name" that you believe is true, it's not warning worthy?

You justify them calling me X because "they honestly believe it", but does that not also apply to all of my "insults"?

You seem to be letting your personal opinion of whether the insults are right or wrong affect which you consider warn worthy. You believe their claims that I am a troll for some reason, so you consider the insult righteous. This is a personal and unsupported opinion.

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Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:52 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:So Mike, if you "call someone a name" that you believe is true, it's not warning worthy?

You justify them calling me X because "they honestly believe it", but does that not also apply to all of my "insults"?

You seem to be letting your personal opinion of whether the insults are right or wrong affect which you consider warn worthy. You believe their claims that I am a troll for some reason, so you consider the insult righteous. This is a personal and unsupported opinion.
And I think that it's totally supported. Yes, it can be seen as an insult, but basically anything that tries to describe someone who stirs trouble with one adjective, no matter how elaborate, will be an insult of some kind, even if very posh, and it took me some time to call a cat a cat, knowing that I may get into trouble for that. That's because I waited to see what would happen after I provided evidence of your misbehaviour (my opinion, but I'm convinced that each of my replies to you brings more proof of my accusations). The problem is the number of people who complain about you. It seems I'm not the only one. It's getting rather curious that you claim innocence each of these times. It's particularly noticeable since it's the very first time I see people complain about trolling, and lo and behold, it's all aimed at you.
Surely, everybody else is wrong and you are the only one to hold the truth. You're a saint and good debater and we're all bastards abusing the rules with mods on our side, while failing to address your arguments.

I'm not sure if the mods are actually holding back or not, not really willing to take any measure. Perhaps it's because they're waiting to see what JMS thinks of this. I understand how sorting such cases is harder than filtering the harsh language.
Meh.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Mike DiCenso » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:56 am

The problem is, as I've said before, my hands are largely tied in that sort of matter. JMS has set the standard there that someone can be obtuse, or act that way and get away with it. It's tough to prove actual trolling because there is nothing outright insulting to act upon, which in turn that sort of thing is the only thing right now that Praeo and I actually can act on. At least not untill JMS some day to better define what is and is not dishonesty in debating.

As for SWST's complaint that he's getting picked on. Well, far be it from me to fall for a fallacy that popular opinion equals the Truth. That is why I've waited as long as I have to assess SWST's behavior, as I will not allow the will of a mob to dictate to me what is or is not justice. That being said, as with RSA, I've gone from thinking SWST from being a potential victim to one of him/her being more of an instigator.

SWST, someone thinking you're a troll and calling you out on your behavior is worlds apart from using a crude and insulting phrase. In this case the "circle jerk" bit there. But I am telling you, there is an obvious pattern. I'll reiterate:

-Stop ignoring contrary evidence.

-Provide evidence to back your claims.

-Provide calculations, most preferably your own.

-Stop starting new threads on the drop of a hat.

-Stop endlessly repeating the same tired old cut-and-paste SDN mantras that have been long since debunked.

-Mike

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Post by StarWarsStarTrek » Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:43 am

When I do I ever refuse to provide evidence, or back up my claim? When does this happen? I calc'ed Maul's hyperdrive, circumnavigation of Yavin, etc.

When do I ever ignore contradictory evidence?

As for your claim that I make new threads on a whim, that is an interesting notion. When I am fresher, perhaps I can look up thread posting statistics to see if you actually calculated this.

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