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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:15 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Known to be false? You see, you are judging based on your biased and illogical opinion on what arguments are correct or incorrect in the debate, by using the illusion that any of the popular pro Wars theories are somehow proven false.
No, it was proved time and time again. I have no time to waste with your lies.
Now you've been given chances, once more, to catch up and actually pay attention to debunkings and other people's posts.
I, for one, am still waiting for you to deal with the two posts I linked to in the Death Star power production.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:37 am

StarWarsStarTrek wrote:Breentai, quit it.
not until your perma banned buddy

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StarWarsStarTrek wrote:
Mike, you certainly have a very interesting definition of the word trolling. For one, it implies that I intentionally make "dishonest" arguments for the sake of messing around with you, but, with all due respect, I honestly don't care enough about random online board members to spend hours of my time writing up elaborate trolling methods.
but you do and we've proven this hell you just did just now in the alliance thread when you sited a known example of a yieldless torpedo as sub gt fire power
StarWarsStarTrek wrote: For another, there are numerous other members on this forum who also have a tendency to outright refuse to give evidence (like literally say "lol NO"), and your response is far more tame than with me. Granted, you are good at warning both sides of the argument, but there is little telling that you do have a predisposition against my argument.
nonsense your requests got refused after numerous denials

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:09 pm

http://www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/view ... 501#p33501

I'd like to bring up a case of deliberate passing off evidence he knows to be false as a counter to fire power yield. the clips he's showing of the defiant shooting at a planet where torpedoes unarmed and laced with a type of chemical or isotope designed to poison the planetary environment and deny it to human settlers (though I find it funny that it still produced a shockwave that could be seen for hundreds of miles despite its main yield seemingly absent) and while one can rush to his defense and say "well he knows very little about trek maybe he made a mistake" quit simply in the same posts that we responded to the infamous use of fan made clips as evidence he also cited this one..which was explained to him very clearly..

knowing what he knew he still submitted the evidence that's called officially submitting fraudulent or distorted evidence..

I bring this up because I was asked too and I'm making a leap of faith and trusting the system here..to work

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:47 pm

So then, new tallies are:

Khas = 1 warning
(for his replies to KSW)

Admiral Breetaï = 2 warnings

StarWarsStarTrek = 4 warnings, and thus gets a 2 day ban.
4th warning for failing again to provide evidence for claims for which he never provided evidence, such as:
Hey, 525,600 C is almost 1/20th of Star Wars hyperdrive speeds!
As seen here...

Mr. Oragahn = 1 warning

Mith = 2 warnings for his abusive language towards SWST

Picard = 1 Warning, for
You are idiot.
directed at SWST...

And
2046 = 1 warning for:
it is not necessary or prudent to be civil in a debate with a damn fool, especially when the debate's already over, and especially when the damn fool is such a poor liar.
directed at SWST...

Remember, any warning or ban deemed unjustified by the recipient, or others, may be taken up with JMS...

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Jedi Master Spock » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:30 pm

Praeothmin, to clarify what happened earlier, I did not overrule your warning for rudeness. I overruled on review one of Mike's older warnings for trolling and reset the warning level of StarWarsStarTrek based on that.

However, I am going to actually overrule you here. The last time anyone told SWST to provide evidence of hyperdrive speed that I could find, making use of the search function, was in the commentary thread for his debate with 2046, and 2046 himself instructed SWST to start over with a narrower focus in the debate thread. It simply hasn't been a topic of much discussion in the last six months. His warning level is again reverted to 2, and he is hereby unbanned.

My advice is not to take any inspiration in your moderator activity from Admiral B. As a final note, has SWST been banned before? Because if he hasn't, we should be starting with a one-day ban, but I can't recall if he has or not.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Praeothmin » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:01 pm

JMS, SWST has never been banned before, so you're right, I should have banned him for one day...

BUT, it's not the first time SWST's been asked to provide evidence and not provide it.
It is also not the first time he's come up with unsupported claims, such as ST FTL speeds are 20 times lower than SW's, or ST's maximum battle ranges is 10km while SW is hundreds of km, etc, etc...

And I believe the "Dishonest debating" rule still has not been clarified...
If someone constantly fails to provide evidence when countering another's arguments, is this not dishonest?

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by sonofccn » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:47 pm

I mean no disrespect sir but I implore you to reconsider your decision.

Here SWST has repeatedly, and as recently as the seventh, made loose "generic" statments regarding things like Voyager doing something stupid and rarely if ever giving so much as a an episode title when pressed. I must stress his post on the seventh, well after Praeothmin already asked him to give details about his vauge descriptions, he said things like this:
SWST wrote:Are you honestly going to claim that redshirts ever use competent tactics? That them sending down a chief engineer to recon a dark cavern...using flashlights instead of, you know, night vision, is in any way reminiscent of using their brains?
He's refrenced this engineer recons a cave thing before but to my knowledge has never explains where it comes from.

here he creates a short dribble of fanfiction, in the wrong forum initially, where he rehashes "evidence" which at the very least is both debatable and is being debated in several other threads SWST either created or participated in. Things such as:
SWST wrote:The early Federation had 150 colonies; new colonies popping up in the past centuries would be smaller and developing, probably not self sufficient.
He has already been informed of Kirk's thousand worlds and spreading out quote by Mike here just last month and while he's free to believe what he believes his posting it in a fresh thread the way he did smacks of just trying to get our goat.
SWST wrote:In Star Trek Generations, the Enterprise was the only ship in range to investigate something happening 3 light years away…and it was in the middle of Sol! Any defenses would consist of stationary orbital platforms that only the more developed planets would contain.
Here he makes a sweeping generalization based upon a single datapoint nearly a century out of date. Again sir while poor debating should not be criminlized using such glaring and infuriating "evidence" to justify your favored faction curbstomping the others in your fanfiction, whose title itself could be argued to be flamebait, in conjuction with SWST other actions should be.
SWST wrote:If you require further proof that high end base delta’s are valid, the Death Star circumnavigated Yavin in 30 minutes, requiring about 2e29 joules of energy per second; scaling that down to a star destroyer, you get a power reactor of 2e23 watts.
Here he uses the scale down the Death Star output which multiple people have taken issue with in other threads as well as I believe you yourself have tried to explain to him how scaling from a DS to an ISD is, at best, shoddy and hard to justify. That he wants to believe in it I don't have an issue with but it should be kept to the thread(s) it is being debated in not creating a brand new thread for seemingly no purpuse.

Once more I wish to state I mean no disrespect to you sir, and I appologize dragging out this tiresome matter and taking away from your valuable ime, but I believe SWST is a disruptive nuisiance purpuesly trying to enrage us. Sorry for the bother but this is how I feel.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:26 pm

Praeothmin wrote:JMS, SWST has never been banned before, so you're right, I should have banned him for one day...

BUT, it's not the first time SWST's been asked to provide evidence and not provide it.
It is also not the first time he's come up with unsupported claims, such as ST FTL speeds are 20 times lower than SW's, or ST's maximum battle ranges is 10km while SW is hundreds of km, etc, etc...

And I believe the "Dishonest debating" rule still has not been clarified...
If someone constantly fails to provide evidence when countering another's arguments, is this not dishonest?
Well, about the speeds, the high ends in SW do leave ST behind, but they're inconsistent.
Now, as for the battle ranges, don't forget that he first claimed thousands of km for SW warships. This was amply corrected.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:55 pm

Jedi Master Spock wrote:
My advice is not to take any inspiration in your moderator activity from Admiral B. As a final note, has SWST been banned before? Because if he hasn't, we should be starting with a one-day ban, but I can't recall if he has or not.
so we're clear your number one rule is to never insult or mock people no matter how deserving..now matter how horrific their actions are and you just break it here to diss me...on top of that you do so while clearly unbanning and freeing up some one who is..literally here to do nothing but disrupt and kill your board and troll it. No offense but that's just god awful you have essentially chosen to pull some bullshit moral high ground crap..and are officially allowing for trolling to hide behind your edicts

watch SWST escape a ban but me get permed.or kicked for like six months or something for this...because i'm being "meaner" then he is..even though I;m being way more honest to you then he is...I'd find it hilarious

Mojo old buddy your the forums martyr

oh and for the record JMS I tried having a civil convo with you you completely ignored me in the moderator review thread...and now are basically mocking me openly so I'm at a junction that you now..forced me into
Praeothmin wrote:And I believe the "Dishonest debating" rule still has not been clarified...
If someone constantly fails to provide evidence when countering another's arguments, is this not dishonest?
it wont ever be clarified...it's very clear JMS so preoccupied with not becoming Wong or letting this place become SDN like that he's willing to allow a guy who's trying to intentionally disrupt and kill this place do what ever...just to maintain a moral high ground

I'd probably resign as a mod in the face of such bullshit..I truly commend you on your dedication in the face of what is now..an official edict from the highest power of the forum that gives SWST Carte blanch to keep doing what he is doing and worse
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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Praeothmin » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:09 am

I see it simply as a message to document every such incidents thoroughly in the future, so that when I give a warning or a ban, it will stick...

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Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:30 am

Praeothmin wrote:I see it simply as a message to document every such incidents thoroughly in the future, so that when I give a warning or a ban, it will stick...
really? cause what I see is "SWST it's party time go fourth to the board and frolic and I'll protect you from the mean breetai who apparently has magical mind powers and influences mods..despite having no such hold over any one on this board" "and when the mean bad Kor and Mister O show vast lists of all your sins that are proof irrefutable of your clear malignant acitivity..I'm gonna randomly over rule..them cause hey I'm not wong I'm a nice guy who does not assume whats in some ones heart despite whats blatantly obvious"

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Khas » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:47 am

It's clear that SWST has nothing positive to contribute, and is just here to stir up trouble. Hell, even YOUNGLA, while a nuissance, was at least tolerable, and was unintentionally entertaining (think MST3K movies). SWST and KSW are pretty much my least favorite people on this board.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:51 am

KSW at the very least forms good solid arguments when he's not making wild claims for the sake of cheesing you guys off. other then that he is a vicious arrogant bully

SWSt has no redeeming qualities what so ever-I rhink its only fair you apply the same standards to SWST you apply to KSW..

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by mojo » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:47 am

if he bans swst, there's noone left to argue with. it's idiotic, but there you have it. there's really no other explanation for why he would repeatedly go against the mods he chose himself for doing the job he asked them to do. i gave the mods a lot of shit very recently because i believed they were deliberately violating the spirit of the rules in order to allow an opposing viewpoint to exist on the board. but it turns out it comes from the top. JMS himself is deliberately violating the spirit of his own ONE GODDAMN RULE. very nice.

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Re: General Warning Tally for users...

Post by Admiral Breetai » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:53 am

mojo wrote:if he bans swst, there's noone left to argue with. it's idiotic, but there you have it. there's really no other explanation for why he would repeatedly go against the mods he chose himself for doing the job he asked them to do. i gave the mods a lot of shit very recently because i believed they were deliberately violating the spirit of the rules in order to allow an opposing viewpoint to exist on the board. but it turns out it comes from the top. JMS himself is deliberately violating the spirit of his own ONE GODDAMN RULE. very nice.
this is exactly what I think is happening..

also good to see you back..

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