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[Mike DiCenso]

Yes there is. But it is not specific as to what the nature of those systems are. We can only presume that they might be phasers, photon torpedoes, and deflector shields.
-Mike

[Picard]

Star trek planetary shields

We know of theatre shields, but there is no evidence of planetary shields.

This is incorrect as planetary shields as existed in Trek as far back as TOS. The first example being the shield protecting the Tantalus penal colony in "Dagger of the Mind" that at the very least blocked transporters. The second and more formidable one appears in "Whom Gods Destroy" which was projected from the Elba II Asylum dome and was powerful enough to resist the firepower of the E-1701's main phaser banks even at it's weakest point on the side of the planet opposite the asylum.

Nothng conclusive is mentioned throughout the movies, TNG and DS9, though in episodes like "Gambit, Part 1", there is at least theater coverage shielding for a small scientific outpost along with phasers and possibly photon torpeodes. However VOY's "Year of Hell, Part 2" implies strongly that even relatively primitive starfaring civilizations ought to have them, and "Nightingale" actually shows one in operation protecting the Kraylor homeworld from bombardment and invasion by the Annari fleet blockading it.
-Mike

Theres a "planetary defences" line in TMP as well isn't there?

Maybe, but "planetary defences" does not necessarily imply planetary shields; ground based weaponry (directed energy, missile etc), anti-ballistic missiles, orbital defences - weapon platforms, orbital stations - all that falls under "planetary defences".

[Picard]

I updated starship combat ranges

http://picard578.blogspot.com/2010/08/c ... ished.html

[Mike DiCenso]

You left out a whole bunch of TOS examples of long-range combat. For example in "The Changeling", the Enterprise engages and hits the 1 meter Nomad from 90,000 kilometers with a photon torpedo. Romulans fire on the E-1701 from 50,000 to 100,000 km. In the "Ultimate Computer", the E-1701 engages several other starships in wargames at somewhere under 200,000 km.
-Mike

[Lucky]

Maybe, but "planetary defences" does not necessarily imply planetary shields; ground based weaponry (directed energy, missile etc), anti-ballistic missiles, orbital defences - weapon platforms, orbital stations - all that falls under "planetary defences".

Doesn't the Year of Hell, or some episodes that involves the Krenim time ship imply shields are common or easy to make? Janeway said something about all the planets being shielded from the Krenim time weapon didn't she?

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Maybe, but "planetary defences" does not necessarily imply planetary shields; ground based weaponry (directed energy, missile etc), anti-ballistic missiles, orbital defences - weapon platforms, orbital stations - all that falls under "planetary defences".

Doesn't the Year of Hell, or some episodes that involves the Krenim time ship imply shields are common or easy to make? Janeway said something about all the planets being shielded from the Krenim time weapon didn't she?

No it was "chuckles", as janeways fleet attacks the ship near the end of YOH pt2 he points out that the ships attacking have been given temporal shielding by janeway and that they have undoubtedly contacted their homeworlds and will be capable of protecting their planets from the weapon.

[Lucky]

Maybe, but "planetary defences" does not necessarily imply planetary shields; ground based weaponry (directed energy, missile etc), anti-ballistic missiles, orbital defences - weapon platforms, orbital stations - all that falls under "planetary defences".

Doesn't the Year of Hell, or some episodes that involves the Krenim time ship imply shields are common or easy to make? Janeway said something about all the planets being shielded from the Krenim time weapon didn't she?

No it was "chuckles", as janeways fleet attacks the ship near the end of YOH pt2 he points out that the ships attacking have been given temporal shielding by janeway and that they have undoubtedly contacted their homeworlds and will be capable of protecting their planets from the weapon.

But the only way to protect a planet from that sort of weapon is to shield the planet it's self.

In TOS it seems like Kirk was suppired to find importent things not shieleded.

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

But the only way to protect a planet from that sort of weapon is to shield the planet it's self.

I suppose that a argument could be made for such, but its unlikely you will get a warsie to accept the common existance of planetary shields in ST on that basis.

In TOS it seems like Kirk was suppired to find importent things not shieleded.

Important things or important planets?.

[Lucky]

But the only way to protect a planet from that sort of weapon is to shield the planet it's self.

I suppose that a argument could be made for such, but its unlikely you will get a warsie to accept the common existance of planetary shields in ST on that basis.

In TOS it seems like Kirk was suppired to find importent things not shieleded.

Important things or important planets?.

There isn't a difference in Trek. A standard torpedo is at the extreme low end calacs a kiloton nuke that can travel at FTL speeds. In "the Chase" a Klingon ship wiped out an entire planet in minutes, and no one could stop it. Second rate powers can make gigaton at least FTL missiles.

Just having a theater shield will not protect a planet like Earth, the the military targets, or most of the things living on the planet. You have lost if 99% of the biosphere is dead.

[Tyralak]

Well Picard, I popped over to SDN, and noticed you were getting the standard treatment from the Warsfags. Personal attacks with vague references to supposedly 'settled' arguments that 'everyone knows' but no actual rebuttals to your work. Par for the course, it seems.

[Picard]

Yes that is pretty standard on StarDestroyer.net. Anyway, thanks for episodes - I'll update range page ASAP. And I will add anything else I find interesting in these episodes.

About "Chase", planet was not shielded, it was uninhabited and Bird of Prey actually used chain reacton. I watched episode recently due to some things I needed for blog - firepower and warp speeds, to be precise.

[Mr. Oragahn]

Well Picard, I popped over to SDN, and noticed you were getting the standard treatment from the Warsfags. Personal attacks with vague references to supposedly 'settled' arguments that 'everyone knows' but no actual rebuttals to your work. Par for the course, it seems.

Well clearly I don't agree with Picard on several points, but can't the people at SDN at least provide links to said settled arguments?

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Well clearly I don't agree with Picard on several points, but can't the people at SDN at least provide links to said settled arguments?

They mearly structure everything around the 200 gigaton ICA stat so you will get nothing but that and assumptions from it.



EG: We see X amount of torbo laser bolts hitting the shields of a ISD so 200 gigatons multiplied by X bolts = Y low end shield str.

OR

We see Turbolaser bolts hitting hulls for small or low damage so at 200 gigatons minimum per shot armour must be X strong ect ect....

Or if you prefer just look through Wongs pages.

[Picard]

I just updated shield page. You might find it interesting.

[Lucky]

I just updated shield page. You might find it interesting.

You may want to explain that we don't know what they mean by frequency.